Plotting is making my brain hurt. I have forgotten HOW. *And* it is increasingly looking like there's no room for tentacle porn in this story, which is just bewildering. Isn't there *always* room for tentacle porn? Maybe I should have gone with your plot after all, [personal profile] brownbetty!

As distraction, I'm stealing a meme almost intact from [personal profile] katarik and [personal profile] petra. I'm not sure I have enough 'ships to make it a very long distraction but, eh, I suppose that's a feature.

Comment with a pairing that I ship and I'll tell you:

1. When I started shipping them
2. What I think their challenge is
3. What makes me happy about them
4. What makes me sad about them
5. What moment I wish had never happened
6. Who I'd be comfortable them ending up with, if not each other
7. My happily ever after for them if I have one, or where I think they'll end up
8. A fanfic cliche that would work or really, really not work for them.
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petra: Barbara Gordon smiling knowingly (Default)

From: [personal profile] petra


I like your addition.

Tell me about Peter, El, and Neal.
brownbetty: (Default)

From: [personal profile] brownbetty


My plot was a masterpiece of plottiness!

Although to be fair, I don't think it contained porn, either.
katarik: DC Comics: Kara, Infinite Holiday Special, about to drop the dude (Don't play mind games with a crazy chick)

From: [personal profile] katarik


Then write me the gen version! I just have a Thing for your Kara, I really adore her, and I love your Amanda. *makes big eyes*

From: [identity profile] odditycollector.livejournal.com


1. When I started shipping them
When I read a bunch of old comics at age, like, eight. He was the most interesting of Kara's various boyfriends.

2. What I think their challenge is
The thousand year time difference. The fact Brainy fell in love with the idea of her long before they actually met. The difference in the intensity they approach the relationship with, which they both think they are okay with but long term may prove unsustainable. That I've always read Kara as poly, even before I knew the term for it, and Brainy as really not. The intertwined family histories. Their respective self esteem issues. *And* I'm not sure how physically compatible they are.

Do you want more? I *have* more.

Some of these double as reasons I find them interesting/they might find each other interesting!

3. What makes me happy about them
They really *like* each other, most of the time, and I think they've got the potential to understand each other. Not in the Broccoli Test sense - you would think it'd be less of a struggle for a powered Kryptonian and a 12th level mind, but so many of their base assumptions are different - but in the sense that they're carrying the weight of *so* much history and expectations between them that eventually it cancels itself out and they just get to be people. And Brainiac 5 can talk with someone capable of holding up their end of the conversation.

4. What makes me sad about them
I'm not sure how much sympathy I have to give you, Brainiac 5. You knew how the story ended.

5. What moment I wish had never happened
The existence of the Johns Legion is a fast approaching second, but I think I'm still gonna go with Laurel. Fuckit do I fucking hate Andromeda. I don't even have a problem with the choices it's implied Kara would have made, thinking about it rationally, but I am incapable of thinking of it rationally because I hate Andromeda so much.

See, the thing is, it is sad that Kara died and was wiped from existence; I could have done with an extra 20 years of Supergirl stories to catch up on. But Andromeda was someone going Oh Shit! We've wiped Kara from canon, and now there is a hole in Brainiac 5's love life! Quick, create a mirror of Supergirl keeping only the bits essential to Brainiac 5's personal story!

*Fuck* Brainiac 5's personal story.

You want Kara gone, fine, but deal with the implications. This half-assed shit will only make me *hate you*.

6. Who I'd be comfortable them ending up with, if not each other
Note: my personal Legion canon is a mishmash. I think Brainy and Lyle could have a healthy romantic relationship, and I am rooting for those kids. You know, after the inevitable breakup.

I think Kara is happiest if she's got, like, 5 boyfriends and girlfriends scattered over space and time, so breaking it off with Brainy won't change those dynamics too much. And they're still friends, right? (Yes, they are, even though sometimes it is hard.)

7. My happily ever after for them if I have one, or where I think they'll end up
...Pretty much refer to no. 6. Maybe they hook up, on and off, over the decades; they both belong to long lived races, editorial decree permitting.

From: [identity profile] odditycollector.livejournal.com



8. A fanfic cliche that would work or really, really not work for them.
How about an AU arranged marriage scenario? Krypton and Colu are at war, and they're coming close to the tipping point after which pretty much everyone ends up dead. As part of the de-intensification, the last of the Doxes is married to the progeny of a prominent Kryptonian house. They end up living on Krypton, because sending someone who can destroy the planet barehandedly into the heart of the enemy's territory is not exactly a good faith gesture, and because while the marriage *is* meant as a good faith gesture, it's *also* a show of disarmament from the Coluan side. Send the Death Stars into the sun, get the Brainiacs far, far away from munitions design.

I feel sorry for both of them, but more for Brainy. Everybody hates him, and it will be a long time before the Kryptonians trust him enough to let him have lab space, and he can't survive unassisted in the planet's gravity well, and doesn't have the right temperament to appease people. Kara is not ready to be a head of the House of El, and she's not particularly happy at having her future tied to someone who presumably is responsible for getting a lot of people she knew killed (even if the Els aren't innocent either).

You know what? I've seen 2 war movies today, and thinking through the implications of this is depressing me. So in conclusion, they learn to like each other, and then they get on a spaceship and fly off to explore the galaxy together and have adventures and stuff!

From: [identity profile] greenygal.livejournal.com

!!!


...I am very sad that this AU does not exist, because OMG I want to read it SO BADLY. Angst! Politics! Space opera! Falling in love learning not to hate each other!

(And I feel really sorry for Brainy, because, exiled from home, surrounded by people who hate him, okay, it's hard but he'll manage. It is not exactly new territory, metatextually speaking. But no lab space? However will he cope?)

From: [identity profile] odditycollector.livejournal.com

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(*Kara* has lab space. He is not allowed in. I dunno what he does to keep from going crazy; maybe he writes a lot of haikus?)

I would read this AU pretty hard. Though I am not sure if it approaches the same level of (second) worst scenario for Kara... unless maybe, like, her *dad* died in the war. Or her baby cousin? That shit is pretty hard to forgive.

(The first worst scenario is obviously the one where everyone on both planets dies.)

From: [identity profile] greenygal.livejournal.com

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Haikus. Man, yes. Or some neglected Coluan artform that he has never paid any attention to before but now finds himself taking up because it's that or go insane. Under other circumstances, I actually think a period of enforced lack of lab space could be good for Brainy--push him out of his comfort zone, get him to appreciate nature and talk to people and stuff. However, it probably works better when the selection of people available don't already hate him.

Theoretically I think Kara losing a close relative in the war would be a good way to balance up the suffering, and from a purely malicious viewpoint I would vote for offing Kal. But on the other hand I'd be worried that they would wind up never talking to each other at all--we all know what kind of sterling people skills Brainy has under the best of circumstances, never mind when he's miserable and stressed. If Kara, on her side, has a really strong emotional reason to hate him, the healing process is going to take rather a while. Hmm. Maybe they could crash a flier and get stranded in a cave; I think that's a traditional way around these things. :) Or one of them could foil an assassination attempt on the other, or maybe they just get tired of being unhappy together and try to work out how to have a conversation that doesn't turn into a battle.

Oh, and possibly Kara should have one or two other boyfriends who are not thrilled about being displaced, and who she is not thrilled about having to have displaced, especially if Kryptonian marriages are monogamous. (You're right, Kara is a natural poly.) And I'd find it kind of blackly funny if Brainy finds Kara just as stunning as he does in canon, but really wishes he didn't, because a) it's kind of uncomfortable being that attracted to somebody who obviously doesn't like you very much and b) it's insanely distracting in a way he's never experienced before, and he hates that.

From: [identity profile] odditycollector.livejournal.com

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You have to at least attempt to balance the suffering, or one side of story is easier. I'd whack her dad for probably the same reasons the comics did - you gain a bunch of angst and lose her strongest emotional bedrock. (And, hey, nu!Zor was an artist, so it'd probably piss her off to see Brainy dabbling in art.)

You can kill Kal *too*, 'course. But I wonder if that wouldn't be a more political resonance.

Or one of them could foil an assassination attempt on the other
Plot development through action, always! I think they can't avoid talking to each other forever, though. There are undoubtedly publicity stunts.

(You're right, Kara is a natural poly.)
(y)! Thank you!

My interpretation of Kryptonian marriage is very formalized, and not particularly supported by canon. I could believe either way, but at *least* she'd be so busy for the immediate future that other relationships would take a back seat.

I suspect Brainy is largely responsible for his own predicament, because who else is likely to know just *how close* everyone is to annihilation. And he'd be willing to sacrifice himself to the peace process. (If B4 was still around, she'd focus on solving the issue by getting rid of Krypton first, but that is the problem in the first place not B5's style.) He could have probably even calculated a few Houses he'd be likely to get assigned to.

Not that he'd want to tell Kara this, because if she knew he'd wrecked her life with his eyes open she'd *really* hate him. Obviously. Even though she had to make a similar choice herself.

From: [identity profile] greenygal.livejournal.com

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I'd whack her dad for probably the same reasons the comics did - you gain a bunch of angst and lose her strongest emotional bedrock.

This is true, and hey, I didn't know that about the art. I wasn't thinking of Kal as a political issue, though, but rather as her sweet, good-hearted cousin--the death of her father would knock the ground from under her feet, but the death of Kal would seem more desperately unfair. Though this does depend on how well they know each other in this AU. And of course it would also make her the heir to the House of El, which would naturally make her a better marriage prospect. (It also keeps him from getting involved in the Brainy and Kara situation, which could be good or bad depending.)

Plot development through action, always!

That plus it invokes their first meeting in canon, saving each other from the Kryptonite meteor. (I go back and forth on whether this Brainy has a force-shield--on the one hand the Kryptonians presumably have tech-scanners, and even if they weren't concerned about what he could do with it it's still a pretty big indicator of mistrust. On the other hand, if I were him, I'd really want it. And it's not going to do the treaty any good if someone breaks his neck, either.)

There are undoubtedly publicity stunts.

Aheheheh. I wonder if Brainy knows how to work a crowd? I can't see it being a primary skill, somehow. I'm pretty sure Kara will do better at faking that she's having a good time, although she probably vents harder afterwards.

I could believe either way, but at *least* she'd be so busy for the immediate future that other relationships would take a back seat.

Yes. And it makes Comet very sad. *g* Most of Kara's harem are aliens, aren't they? I remember a couple of Kryptonians, but they were Phantom Zone prisoners taking advantage of her, as opposed to real long-term romantic interests. You'd have to wonder where she picked them up, here. Maybe Krypton has a thriving offplanet trade. Or maybe Jerro is the son of the Atlantean ambassador (the Atlanteans were aliens in that one story, weren't they?)

I think you're probably right about Brainy--I could certainly see Colu willing to cold-bloodedly surrender him as a sacrifice (well, sometimes; depends on the incarnation), but the thing is that Coluans who are not Brainiacs have fairly consistently been useless at best and maliciously stupid at worst, so I think the odds of Brainy being the one practical enough to calculate the odds and have a plan for dealing with it...yeah, pretty likely. It would actually make him feel a little better as he went through with it, I think; the warm glow of Being Smart will carry B5 quite a long way.

B4...could be interesting backstory for this universe, albeit probably not the kind Brainy would want to talk about at all, but yeah, she really needs to be dead or way the hell gone before this story starts. (And given her particular issues, dead is much safer.)

Not that he'd want to tell Kara this, because if she knew he'd wrecked her life with his eyes open she'd *really* hate him. Obviously.

Obviously. Somebody would tell her, eventually, for dramatic purposes if nothing else, but it's best put off as long as possible. The more they've come to think of each other as actual people, the less likely the ensuing conversation is to be unforgivable.

From: [identity profile] odditycollector.livejournal.com

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rather as her sweet, good-hearted cousin
The audience might not forgive you. How old is Kal in this scenario? Comic canon is so full of AU already, you could make him an adult or an infant* or a bright eyed nine year old.

*(the one were Kal dies and his parents and world survive? Ouch.)

(It also keeps him from getting involved in the Brainy and Kara situation, which could be good or bad depending.)
on how emotionally claustrophobic the story is supposed to be? Yeah. I think Clark Kal might give too good advice - or not, I guess, but I'm not particularly interested in imagining a version of him raised in Krypton ways, just as I'm not particularly interested in a Kara who's *not*. He is allowed to be that well meaning farmboy *only* - but I hope there are more characters in here *somewhere*.

I go back and forth on whether this Brainy has a force-shield
I vote he must have *something*, because Krypton is *massive*. It's been proved! With Science! Maybe it's a something with more features than came standard (if they didn't let him build his own). Besides, that way you can trap them in a cave with a failing energy source or something. Suspense!

although she probably vents harder afterwards.
Kara is *bothered* if people hate her. Brainy figures it's inevitable. One of these people is going to make less of an effort.

Most of Kara's harem are aliens, aren't they?
Hey, it's what she has to work with. She's interested in Kryptonians if she finds one. Though I can totally see her flirting with the son of the Atlantean ambassador. (Scandal! Or not. Tho Brainy'd be upset for reasons he's really awkward at articulating.)

-I could certainly see Colu willing to cold-bloodedly surrender him as a sacrifice (well, sometimes; depends on the incarnation)
Well, also they're a bit afraid of him. Storing him somewhere Far Away for a while isn't an idea they'd find innately distasteful.

the warm glow of Being Smart will carry B5 quite a long way.
Hah! No lies there.

dead is much safer.
How about, given we are being mean, Hugely Brain Damaged.

Maybe this is the universe where B4 was entertaining herself with the war effort enough she didn't abandon the planet because B5 was boring. Not that she'd *raise* him or anything, but he'd grow up knowing she existed and maybe once every few months or so (once he's interesting enough) they'd have a brief conversation where she pokes holes in all his best physics theories and doesn't warn him about anything important.

So then Kara isn't the only one who inherited a role she's not really ready for. Although *she* doesn't run away.

...Until the happy ending.

From: [identity profile] greenygal.livejournal.com

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Yeah. I think Clark Kal might give too good advice

That, yeah. And I am not especially interested in Kal-El Of Krypton either, particularly in a story that isn't about him. I was envisioning him as a couple years younger than Kara (who is...how old?) but yeah, it could work any number of ways. If her dad died instead, I kind of like the idea of Clark as eight or nine--available to be cute, and nice to Brainy if someone needs to be, but not with a lot of influence in the story or the setting. Although it does raise the question of whether Kara is only head of the house temporarily, unless we're flipping their parents' birth orders too. (Although if the happy ending is that Kara and Brainy run away and have space adventures, it might be convenient for Kara to have someone to take over.)

but I hope there are more characters in here *somewhere*.

I am sure there are! It's just that I only know, uh, five other Kryptonians who are likely to show up in this setting, and I only have more than a vague sketch of personality for one of them.

I think I was assuming that "piece of machinery that keeps you from being crushed by gravity" is different from "piece of machinery that keeps you from being hit by bullets" but it's not like Brainy couldn't engineer something that did both. The Kryptonians probably have their own version, but "I want to be the one designing the piece of tech that is completely necessary for me to survive on your planet" is not an unreasonable negotiating point.

Besides, that way you can trap them in a cave with a failing energy source or something.

Ooh, engineering angst! In a cave! It would strike me as hilariously Brainy/Kara to get stuck in a cave and spend the whole time frantically trying to cobble up a spare power source for Brainy's tech. Plus presumably emotionally fraught tension as Kara realizes that he could die and that she finds this distressing. (And then Brainy responds with something like "Well, yes, it would look bad to Colu if I died under these circumstances," and she's having to reconsider.)

She's interested in Kryptonians if she finds one.

Did she ever date a Kandorian? I mean, there were plenty of them. But yes, presumably a Kara who grew up on Krypton, surrounded by Kryptonians, will be less likely to only date aliens. Though I think she should still be open-minded on the subject, because Kara. Also Brainy trying to deal with a fit of jealousy would a) be hilarious and b) probably end badly. It is not the sort of thing he's good at coping with.

How about, given we are being mean, Hugely Brain Damaged.

I was going to say I didn't care so much about being mean to B4 (I only hurt the ones I love), but no, actually I can see where that's really unhappy for Brainy too. It's a middle ground where she's not a threat or causing him pain, so he's free to feel sympathetic, and she's suffering what anyone named Brainiac would agree is their worst nightmare. If she were dead, he could at least pretend to move on; this way it's harder.

And yeah, I can really see that take on B4; he'd grow up half-resentful and half-wanting to please her--and he'd be growing into an awareness that there was actually something objectively wrong there when she's gone, and suddenly there's a war to deal with and he has to do a whole lot of reassessment of everything in a short time.

Although *she* doesn't run away.

Hey, he could have actually run away, and it would have been a lot easier on him. He's not fulfilling whatever the traditional role of a Brainiac is, but he's certainly serving his people. But he may well have been happy to come up with a way to do that off Colu, yes.

From: [identity profile] odditycollector.livejournal.com

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(Although if the happy ending is that Kara and Brainy run away and have space adventures, it might be convenient for Kara to have someone to take over.)

I think the happy ending is Kara and Brainy do something to stabilize the peace process, like uncover some political manoeuvring to restart the war or root out a hidden third enemy or invent some tech together that makes whatever they were fighting over moot or I dunno whatever. (And then maybe the marriage is dissolved b/c the plot that made it necessary is dissolved? Huh. I think that might be what happens. Take as read they miss each other and get together at the end.) So then everything settles down, and they have time to realize that all of these expectations and roles and *duty* other people have collectively assigned them are unnecessary and constricting. So they leave off into the dark unknown to decide for themselves who they get to be.

Thematically, though, it doesn't work if Kara's just abandoning her duties to someone else even *less* ready than she was. It just makes her an asshole.

Probably doesn't bode well for Clark, no. Even though I like your point of him being narratively useful...

"I want to be the one designing the piece of tech that is completely necessary for me to survive on your planet" is not an unreasonable negotiating point.

Cue Kryptonian scientists examining it to make sure it isn't a *bomb* before approving it. Brainy would be *so* aggravated when they ask him about the obvious! mechanisms by which it works.

Ooh, engineering angst! In a cave! It would strike me as hilariously Brainy/Kara to get stuck in a cave and spend the whole time frantically trying to cobble up a spare power source for Brainy's tech. Plus presumably emotionally fraught tension as Kara realizes that he could die and that she finds this distressing. (And then Brainy responds with something like "Well, yes, it would look bad to Colu if I died under these circumstances," and she's having to reconsider.)
Best scene ever. And are you allowed to have B5 as a protagonist and leave out the engineering angst? (Hey, this is probably the first time he's been able to do engineering since he got to the planet.)

I wonder if this isn't where we find out he's got force field capabilities. Like, someone blew up the flier they were in, and then there was a fall, and then there was a convenient Kryptonian monster to chase them into a cave... y'think that'd be enough to drain/damage his equipment?

And Kara is all, that's supposed to be a gravity nullifier *only*, and Brainy is like, you're right, it would be better if we were *dead* right now. As opposed to in seventeen minutes, when the tech gives out.

Did she ever date a Kandorian?
I... can't remember.

I am going to say yes, though, unless canon *specifically* mentions otherwise. It is her style.

Though I think she should still be open-minded on the subject, because Kara.
...Yes, I think there's enough issues at play without Kara being grossed out at the idea of dating someone from another planet.

Also Brainy trying to deal with a fit of jealousy would a) be hilarious and b) probably end badly. It is not the sort of thing he's good at coping with.
<3

I was going to say I didn't care so much about being mean to B4 (I only hurt the ones I love),
*I* like B4, though! Enough to account for her, anyway ;)

but no, actually I can see where that's really unhappy for Brainy too. It's a middle ground where she's not a threat or causing him pain, so he's free to feel sympathetic, and she's suffering what anyone named Brainiac would agree is their worst nightmare.
*yes*

he'd be growing into an awareness that there was actually something objectively wrong there when she's gone
The data *doesn't add up*, does it?

Hey, he could have actually run away, and it would have been a lot easier on him. He's not fulfilling whatever the traditional role of a Brainiac is, but he's certainly serving his people. But he may well have been happy to come up with a way to do that off Colu, yes.

No, but he couldn't. Not if his world *needed* him. Not without huge justification.

From: [identity profile] greenygal.livejournal.com

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Happy belated birthday!

I think the happy ending is Kara and Brainy do something to stabilize the peace process, like uncover some political manoeuvring to restart the war or root out a hidden third enemy or invent some tech together that makes whatever they were fighting over moot or I dunno whatever.

Yeah, something like that, something positive that they can do to resolve the situation aside from getting married. I personally kind of like the idea that people were conspiring to restart the war, although it might be kind of tricky to balance it out so that it wasn't all about one side being evil. (And while B4 would, demonstrably, start and sustain a war all by her lonesome just for kicks, we just knocked her out of the equation so there at least have to be other people involved.)

And I wasn't thinking that Kara just tossed all her responsibilities to the wind and made Clark pick up after her, but rather that once it had gotten to the point that she could leave without it being an abandonment, it would go smoother if there was someone to take the role while she was gone. I was also thinking in this theory that she would be Clark's regent and he was taking up the job now that he was of age, but the more I think about that the more complicated it gets, starting with we'd have to kill off Jor and Zor, and why is the ceremonial marriage bonding being made with someone who's only a limited-time head of house, and really the Kryptonians should have a more alien inheritance system than that. (Dunno if they do, but they should.)

And Kara and Brainy should totally get a divorce. I waver whether it would be better for them to have it forced on them--say just as the crisis peaks, the treaty is dissolved, and both sides insist on getting their kid back, and Kara and Brainy sneak out to meet afterwards and decide "screw that" and team up to fix everything--or do it themselves, afterward. Kara blurts out "I don't want to be married anymore" and Brainy's face closes down, but not fast enough that she doesn't see the flinch, and she starts talking faster. "No--look--what we are right now, the names and the ceremony and all of it, it was something we had to do, for our people. We didn't choose any of it. I want to know who we are when it's us, just us and nothing else. I want to find that out." And now Brainy is looking at her like he's never seen her before--like she might in fact be an entirely new lifeform. Kara, insistently: "Don't you?" "Yes," he says, slow but certain. "Yes, I do."

Brainy would be *so* aggravated when they ask him about the obvious! mechanisms by which it works.

You know, the Coluans may not have thought this through properly. You can probably get all manner of classified technological secrets out of Brainy if you ask him in the proper confused tone how something can possibly function...though it does depend on having someone around who can decipher the explanations of an irritated Coluan who doesn't actually care whether you get it or not.

Hey, this is probably the first time he's been able to do engineering since he got to the planet.

And he can't even stop to properly enjoy it. Oh, he'll be frustrated. (Although I bet he'll be enjoying himself a bit anyway, just because. Kara can pick up on that and be incredulous.)

I honestly don't remember the force-shield ever losing power; it clearly has one hellaciously effective power source. On the other hand, it isn't usually tied in with another function that needs to be on all the time, so yeah, maybe all that use of the external shield fritzed the gravity nullifier. And hey, I'm all for technological handwaving if it involves Brainy and Kara getting chased by Kryptonian Godzilla and arguing about whether they should be dead right now, in between frantically trying to macgyver Colu-tech with basically no spare parts.

From: [identity profile] greenygal.livejournal.com

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The data *doesn't add up*, does it?

Both the actual factual data about the war and Krypton and whatnot, and the personal data about B4--because, okay, Brainy is always better at tech and strategy than interpersonal relations, but he is also not stupid, and B4 is too interested in playing headgames to bother hiding how very off she is. To Brainy, at least; for Coluan officials she's probably learned to fake it a bit better, since they have more power over her getting to play with her toys of mass destruction. (Also Brainy is frankly probably a better person, and one more interested in facing unpleasant facts, than any given high official on Colu.)

The other thing about brain-damaged B4 is that then Brainy can go to visit her--I'm thinking he and Kara go to Colu for state reasons, and while he's there Brainy sneaks off to see his mom, and Kara gets suspicious and follows him, and then everything gets emotionally messy. Particularly since the Coluans are pretending B4 is actually dead, both to keep her safe and so they won't have to deal with the distasteful concept of a brain-damaged Brainiac--death is much more dignified.

No, but he couldn't. Not if his world *needed* him. Not without huge justification.

Well, then we're in agreement that he did not in fact run away. :) Generally I agree; Brainy's relationship with his home planet tends to be somewhere between "distant" to "openly violent", but on the rare occasions that they do, actually, really need help...he's there. Admittedly I don't think he's ever done anything on quite this level to help them out, but then they've never been in a situation where it was called for.

From: [identity profile] odditycollector.livejournal.com

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Happy belated birthday!
Thanks.

I personally kind of like the idea that people were conspiring to restart the war, although it might be kind of tricky to balance it out so that it wasn't all about one side being evil.
Hmm. Yeah - I can think of reasons either side might want to sabotage the peace, but to have them be working together in some fashion... I think it is doable - if they're willing to sacrifice untold millions on the belief was is somehow benefiting them/their people, conspiring with the enemy would be a sacrifice of ethics they may be willing to make - but making it *believable* might be challenging.

I was also thinking in this theory that she would be Clark's regent and he was taking up the job now that he was of age, but the more I think about that the more complicated it gets, starting with we'd have to kill off Jor and Zor, and why is the ceremonial marriage bonding being made with someone who's only a limited-time head of house, and really the Kryptonians should have a more alien inheritance system than that. (Dunno if they do, but they should.)
I guess it depends if you are going for royalty-analogue, which is workable, but really not what I meant to imply. I was solving circumstances for values of What Kryptonian Marriage Means In My Head. It's largely ceremonial and a Big Deal and not particularly canonical. Basically:

Person A: I want to join B's House! I will claim loyalty to it over the one I'm now part of, and I'll take its enemies as mine, and dedicate my efforts to its glory.
Person B: A is totally a worthy addition! I'll vouch for them, and be responsible for anything that happens.

Which is an institution that suggests itself to political marriages if they are useful, but also requires that B has a certain standing in their House that they *can* vouch for A. Adulthood with bells on, I handwaved to myself, involving some responsibilities that are not really overwhelming unless you are a teenage girl who was not expecting them for many years. That's what I meant by saying she was a head of house, not that she was the leader of everyone.

(Why have I given so much thought to this? I hated the Kryptonian naming scheme *forever* and came up with a justification that involved some world-building reverse engineering.)

No one *actually* believes B5 and Kara fit that pattern, but you've got to at least get the shape right. Kryptonians are (in my canon) hugely traditional.

Kara is still politically valuable - the El's are a famous House. They're powerful, and they breed scientists pretty true, and they've got a lot of history (In my canon, Kryptonians are big on history). The branch including Zor and Jor is particularly visible - even more so now that they are undoubtedly war heroes. Kara's got a lot of privileges and expectations to go with the name... for example, I bet there's a seat on the science council just *waiting* for her to grow into it.

And Kara and Brainy should totally get a divorce. I waver whether it would be better for them to have it forced on them--say just as the crisis peaks, the treaty is dissolved, and both sides insist on getting their kid back, and Kara and Brainy sneak out to meet afterwards and decide "screw that" and team up to fix everything--or do it themselves, afterward.
I kind of like the one where they fix the war and everyone is like, Congrats! As a reward, you get what you want! You don't need to be married anymore! And they are like, ...Oh, yes, right. That *was* what I wanted. But that could follow your option one. (Actually, your option two could follow your option one!)

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Kara blurts out "I don't want to be married anymore" and Brainy's face closes down, but not fast enough that she doesn't see the flinch, and she starts talking faster. "No--look--what we are right now, the names and the ceremony and all of it, it was something we had to do, for our people. We didn't choose any of it. I want to know who we are when it's us, just us and nothing else. I want to find that out." And now Brainy is looking at her like he's never seen her before--like she might in fact be an entirely new lifeform. Kara, insistently: "Don't you?" "Yes," he says, slow but certain. "Yes, I do."
Aww.

You can probably get all manner of classified technological secrets out of Brainy if you ask him in the proper confused tone how something can possibly function...though it does depend on having someone around who can decipher the explanations of an irritated Coluan who doesn't actually care whether you get it or not.
They may! When canon has an opinion on the matter, Krypton is usually more advanced than Colu! And Brainy has a scientist's natural disdain for classified technology. (He doesn't care if you get it or not, but it's not actually a secret, either.)

...He got a somewhat patronizing lecture from Coluan officials before leaving, didn't he? He is not gonna miss *those* assholes.

You know, I bet he could have a worthwhile debate with some top Kryptonian scientist. He has never had that. Just people being awestruck at his ideas, or shooting them down from a position of authority (his mom), or being so stupid and sure of themselves it is not even worth his time to explain (like the person in my hypercube post).

I honestly don't remember the force-shield ever losing power; it clearly has one hellaciously effective power source.
It could have a different power source in this rendition? IDK.

On the other hand, it isn't usually tied in with another function that needs to be on all the time, so yeah, maybe all that use of the external shield fritzed the gravity nullifier. And hey, I'm all for technological handwaving if it involves Brainy and Kara getting chased by Kryptonian Godzilla and arguing about whether they should be dead right now, in between frantically trying to macgyver Colu-tech with basically no spare parts.
Best scene in the whole thing!

(Also Brainy is frankly probably a better person, and one more interested in facing unpleasant facts, than any given high official on Colu.)
Ah hah hah, yeah. And just about all of them on Krypton, too.

The other thing about brain-damaged B4 is that then Brainy can go to visit her--I'm thinking he and Kara go to Colu for state reasons, and while he's there Brainy sneaks off to see his mom, and Kara gets suspicious and follows him, and then everything gets emotionally messy.
Kara has never before been happy her dad is (just) dead.

Particularly since the Coluans are pretending B4 is actually dead, both to keep her safe and so they won't have to deal with the distasteful concept of a brain-damaged Brainiac--death is much more dignified.
You are right, and I'm suddenly wondering why they didn't just finish her off.

Probably Brainy was like NO, no I will fix her, I WILL FIX HER. And he isn't close to figuring out a way, but also as he picks up on more about who she *was* he's starting to feel a bit uncomfortable at the thought of a recovery. (Not enough to take it off his to-do list, though.)

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I think it is doable - if they're willing to sacrifice untold millions on the belief was is somehow benefiting them/their people, conspiring with the enemy would be a sacrifice of ethics they may be willing to make - but making it *believable* might be challenging.

Yeah, I can see it theoretically, and hey, people have done far more hypocritical things for the sake of their beliefs, but making it work properly would be tricky. Although I guess one side (or both, if there was a third party in the mix) could be manipulated so they didn't realize they were working with the other side. Or there could be two independent plots, which...it's not that it couldn't happen, but dramatically speaking seems a bit silly.

Which is an institution that suggests itself to political marriages if they are useful, but also requires that B has a certain standing in their House that they *can* vouch for A. Adulthood with bells on, I handwaved to myself, involving some responsibilities that are not really overwhelming unless you are a teenage girl who was not expecting them for many years. That's what I meant by saying she was a head of house, not that she was the leader of everyone.

Interesting. So "head of house" just means "you have a certain standing in the house", and you can have multiple ones in any given house? And Kara didn't have that standing before Brainy made his offer, but she was granted it so the deal could go through? Does this map onto our concept of marriage at all--i.e. living together and having kids and sex? Or is it a Venn diagram thing, where sometimes you have marriages that don't look like this, and sometimes you have these alliances that aren't marriage, and sometimes, like here, it's both?

...I actually have no idea what Coluan marriages look like. I am not entirely sure we have canonical evidence Coluans get married, except Brainy's parents were probably referred to that way at some point pre-Crisis. It would make a certain amount of sense if they just had kids on the basis of whether the genetic combination would be beneficial; I'm just reluctant to turn them into post-Crisis Kryptonians. Maybe they also have group marriages (or something vaguely like it), where you create or add yourself into groups depending on personal and professional compatibility, so, say, two people investigating teleportation are more likely to match up. And people who aren't in a group are weird, and oh look, one more reason why the Brainiacs don't fit in.

(Why have I given so much thought to this? I hated the Kryptonian naming scheme *forever* and came up with a justification that involved some world-building reverse engineering.)

God, yes, it's 2010 and Kryptonian women are still named after their fathers.

No one *actually* believes B5 and Kara fit that pattern, but you've got to at least get the shape right. Kryptonians are (in my canon) hugely traditional.

Yeah, this is the vibe I've gotten from them in canon, too. Lots of history and ritual. So as long as they look like they're following the tradition, you can pretend--although at some point someone who doesn't approve is probably just going to say, in public, that this is a sham. Hopefully Brainy's done enough of his homework to at least come up with the right ritual response (i.e., I have said x, I'm doing y, and I honor z, so how am I not doing it right?)

I kind of like the one where they fix the war and everyone is like, Congrats! As a reward, you get what you want! You don't need to be married anymore! And they are like, ...Oh, yes, right. That *was* what I wanted. But that could follow your option one. (Actually, your option two could follow your option one!)

Good point. Thinking about it, I do really like Kara--I'm pretty sure it would be Kara, and it's actually more meaningful coming from her because she has more of a life to begin with--saying "Yeah, I want to get a divorce, but that doesn't mean I'm done with you." But that can easily follow someone else bringing the subject up--either your way or my way, both are good.

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They may! When canon has an opinion on the matter, Krypton is usually more advanced than Colu!

Really? I mean, I know Krypton is also an advanced-science sort of culture, but I didn't know we'd ever gotten any direct comparison. And certainly there are Kryptonians who can follow Brainy; you just have to make sure to have them standing there, because he's probably not going to repeat himself.

...He got a somewhat patronizing lecture from Coluan officials before leaving, didn't he? He is not gonna miss *those* assholes.

Oh, he totally got the "How Not To Betray Our Greatest Secrets To Those Inferior Kryptonians 101" speech, and no, he's really, really not. I think there should be someone on Colu he should miss, but it's not going to be the politicians.

You know, I bet he could have a worthwhile debate with some top Kryptonian scientist. He has never had that. Just people being awestruck at his ideas, or shooting them down from a position of authority (his mom), or being so stupid and sure of themselves it is not even worth his time to explain

I'm sure there's been all three, but I'd be surprised if there was nobody he could talk to; while Brainy is by definition the smartest person on the planet who is not B4, that doesn't mean there aren't any Coluan scientists who aren't smart enough to have discussions with him, especially as he's growing up. That said the whole Coluan attitude towards Brainiacs keeps him socially isolated, so that doesn't help. He can't talk to them if he doesn't meet them. And the Kryptonians will have...different emotional baggage regarding him, at least.

It could have a different power source in this rendition? IDK.

Well, it's not like we know what the power source is normally! I'm just observing that it never seems to switch off.

--hey, the Godzilla thing should breathe corrosive gas, or something. The forcefield obviously lets in air, and I'm not sure we have any canon on its ability to filter out dangerous substances, especially this early in its use. After this, Brainy will do a redesign, assuming Kara eventually comes to the conclusion that, okay, it is probably better that they didn't get blown up and doesn't get him tossed off the planet for undeclared tech. She's totally going to grill him about anything else he brought with him, though.

Kara has never before been happy her dad is (just) dead.

Does she say this out loud? You know, out of shock? Because I guarantee Brainy will overreact.

(Also, I have a strong suspicion that B4 is kind of a Kryptonian bogeyman, and Krypton was in general really glad to hear she was dead and out of the war. Having to readjust her preconceptions to deal with the woman as her husband's brain-damaged mother--because Brainy Didn't Talk About Her before this, and Kara was okay with leaving it at that--is probably going to take a bit.)

You are right, and I'm suddenly wondering why they didn't just finish her off.

Probably Brainy was like NO, no I will fix her, I WILL FIX HER.


Yeah, and he's got enough leverage to make demands like that. And even on the coldest and most cynical interpretation of them, the Coluan politicians would probably prefer not to throw away a resource like B4 if there's any chance she can be salvaged. (Well, okay, there's probably also people who frankly would be happy to be rid of her, either because they think Brainy is more easily manipulated or because B4 just creeps them out.) And the guy who kept rebuilding Computo will probably not give up on his mother...although frankly it would be easier if she was Computo, because then he could just reprogram her.

...is Krypton big on bio-sciences, or am I mixing it up with Daxam? I never got the impression that Colu was especially into it, and while Brainy is one of those omnidisciplinary science guys he's generally stronger on tech and physics than on medicine. Maybe he had it in the back of his head that if he went to Krypton he might eventually find some help there.

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I don't know if I forgot about this thread, or I became afraid of it! What if it spontaneously gains sentience and eats us?!

Yeah, I can see it theoretically, and hey, people have done far more hypocritical things for the sake of their beliefs, but making it work properly would be tricky. Although I guess one side (or both, if there was a third party in the mix) could be manipulated so they didn't realize they were working with the other side. Or there could be two independent plots, which...it's not that it couldn't happen, but dramatically speaking seems a bit silly.

Heh. Have you seen this xkcd strip (http://xkcd.com/690/)?

I don't really like the idea of a third party - that makes things too morally easy, IMO. Like, it was the Durlans all along! Let us aim our leftover animosity away from each other, and forgive ourselves our trespasses, and team up for an arms race in *their* direction. I guess it depends on what they're fighting over. It's easy to imagine both worlds casting each other as less than human [species of choice], but that'll only help prolong/intensify a war, not start it.

Are there any resources both want? That seems hard to imagine. Colu's not into Empire building. (...They might decide to blow up probes/ships that get too close to their space, though. Hmm.)

Interesting. So "head of house" just means "you have a certain standing in the house", and you can have multiple ones in any given house? And Kara didn't have that standing before Brainy made his offer, but she was granted it so the deal could go through?

Pretty much!

(And Kryptonian Houses are closer synonyms to clans than families, though of course you can trace lineage.)

Does this map onto our concept of marriage at all--i.e. living together and having kids and sex? Or is it a Venn diagram thing, where sometimes you have marriages that don't look like this, and sometimes you have these alliances that aren't marriage, and sometimes, like here, it's both?

In my head, living together is socially expected, at least for a *while* (hey if Person A is so awesome prove it/watch them); sex is usual, but not officially anyone's business; kids are a somewhat separate issue, but kids born to parents from different Houses are seen as slightly... suspect, and they're no fonder of incest than we are (Silver Age Superman aside), and also Krypton is big on population control. (Things Kryptonians like: legroom. Look at their architecture in just about any incarnation: Giant rooms and lots of empty space. They couldn't handle the population density of our cities without mass mental breakdowns. If Kara does visit Colu she's going to be fighting a low level claustrophobia; Brainy finds Kryptonian design ridiculously wasteful. You could fit two fully equipped laboratories in this hallway! *Four* if you add a floor halfway up.)

Anyway so, at first pass they more or less function like our marriages, but there are subtleties. Like, divorce is complicated, because what if Person A's original House doesn't want them back?

...I actually have no idea what Coluan marriages look like.
I've never really thought about it either...

Maybe they also have group marriages (or something vaguely like it), where you create or add yourself into groups depending on personal and professional compatibility, so, say, two people investigating teleportation are more likely to match up. And people who aren't in a group are weird, and oh look, one more reason why the Brainiacs don't fit in.
I like this idea! Are these groups fairly stable over time, or is it expected (and easy) that members will break off and join other groups? Could someone be part of more than one group at the same time?

B4 obv. has no interest in joining any such thing; the idea of her being compatible personally or professionally with a normal Coluan is hilarious and insulting. I wonder if B5 wouldn't have found one when he was older, though, provided he stuck around. He'd have experimented, at least, and not *everyone* on that planet can be useless assholes.

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God, yes, it's 2010 and Kryptonian women are still named after their fathers.
OMG YES.

So I've decided it actually means she's born for his House and still a kid and thus his responsibility. So it makes sense she'd want to hold onto the name for a while, whereas Clark was sent into the void as the One Great Hope Of His Doomed Planet, so of course those ties come pre-cut.

In this story, then, she'd be suddenly dropping the qualifier and being Kara-El. Assuming we killed Zor, she'd probably be a little resentful about that.

Yeah, this is the vibe I've gotten from them in canon, too. Lots of history and ritual. So as long as they look like they're following the tradition, you can pretend--although at some point someone who doesn't approve is probably just going to say, in public, that this is a sham. Hopefully Brainy's done enough of his homework to at least come up with the right ritual response (i.e., I have said x, I'm doing y, and I honor z, so how am I not doing it right?)
I'm guessing this is after tensions have cranked up again? Could be an interesting scene!

Good point. Thinking about it, I do really like Kara--I'm pretty sure it would be Kara, and it's actually more meaningful coming from her because she has more of a life to begin with--saying "Yeah, I want to get a divorce, but that doesn't mean I'm done with you." But that can easily follow someone else bringing the subject up--either your way or my way, both are good.

*ponders happy ending*

Okay, so if I was actually writing this story, in the aftermath of peace stabilization I would actually split them up via political fiat (just like the marriage *started*). Colu wants their Brainiac back, now that he's a hero! And there's no real *reason* for it to continue.

So Kara goes back to her life, but it seems emptier somehow. A lot of her duties seem largely ceremonial, and after saving billions of lives, she can't convince herself that they *matter*. No matter who explains that that is what it takes to make their culture run. She's even more a celebrity, and *everybody* likes her again, and friends and lovers from earlier are stopping by... but conversation is awkward. She is assured that things are getting back to normal, but the idea of normal, day after day *forever* is stifling.

And Brainy goes back to his planet, but everything seems smaller than he remembered, like when we go back to visit our high schools. His physics research project doesn't seem as groundbreaking as when he left it. He puts on a concert/presentation/whatever of the art form he'd been perfecting (and maybe had planned on performing on Krypton before things went nuts at the end?), with elements obviously incorporated from Krypton, and utterly blows everyone away with awesomeness! And afterwards people are like, see how Coluan brilliance can build amazingness out of even inferior Kryptonian culture, but that wasn't his point at *all*. And people keep approaching him with problems they need solved, and it occurs to him to ask how they'd have solved it when he was gone, and the answer is "Well, uh, I would have solved it." And he's no nearer to fixing his mom... and anyway is a bit uneasy about the prospect of curing her while the peace is fragile, as long as she's stable.

Then Brainy gets a call from Kara, which is basically "How are you doing?" "Great!" "Really?" "No." "Me neither. So I've taken this spaceship and decided to explore the universe. But I don't really want to do it alone, and I can only think of one person I want with me. PS it is you." (Kara: Don't you want to know what we'll find? Brainy: Colu maintains a very complete map of the galaxy. Kara: I don't mean out there. I mean in here. *taps chest* ) And Brainy takes a spaceship up to meet her, and parks it in the landing bay, and then they fly off and have adventures!

(Of course, I'm a big believer in the "you have to go home again. Once." rule of proving character development. But perhaps it's been done and done and done.)

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When canon has an opinion on the matter, Krypton is usually more advanced than Colu!
Really? I mean, I know Krypton is also an advanced-science sort of culture, but I didn't know we'd ever gotten any direct comparison.

I was thinking specifically of the time when the reboot Legion was stuck in the past and flying to Superman's fortress in a... forcefield bubble thing? But I do not want to find it right now. And I have the vague sense there are other mentions.

I think there should be someone on Colu he should miss, but it's not going to be the politicians.
! I have a hard time imagining Brainy with real *friends* on Colu, 'least as a kid, but maybe a more interesting tutor?

--hey, the Godzilla thing should breathe corrosive gas, or something. The forcefield obviously lets in air, and I'm not sure we have any canon on its ability to filter out dangerous substances, especially this early in its use.
Brilliant! Something that reacts with whatever his tech is made of, but not *too* badly with what people are made of?

After this, Brainy will do a redesign, assuming Kara eventually comes to the conclusion that, okay, it is probably better that they didn't get blown up and doesn't get him tossed off the planet for undeclared tech. She's totally going to grill him about anything else he brought with him, though.

(Also, I have a strong suspicion that B4 is kind of a Kryptonian bogeyman,
I want to see the propaganda posters.

And the guy who kept rebuilding Computo will probably not give up on his mother...although frankly it would be easier if she was Computo, because then he could just reprogram her.
If you mean, into someone nicer, that is no less horrifying a possibility! ...Well, for the rest of the universe, okay.

...is Krypton big on bio-sciences, or am I mixing it up with Daxam? I never got the impression that Colu was especially into it, and while Brainy is one of those omnidisciplinary science guys he's generally stronger on tech and physics than on medicine. Maybe he had it in the back of his head that if he went to Krypton he might eventually find some help there.
I don't think especially so? I got the feeling there's a bit of a... purity taboo? around the bio-sciences, partly by how Kryptonians tend to react to Kon for being a clone. Or sometimes there will be a designed monster, but it's all a bit icky, you know? And assuming the Kryptonian body is well mapped and disease is all but wiped out, there's not going to be much prestige in medical research.

Still, there could be someone... but, with the war and all, Kryptonian experts in Coluan biology may not be, ah. Entirely benign in their motivations for choosing their field?

From: [identity profile] odditycollector.livejournal.com

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Maybe they also have group marriages (or something vaguely like it), where you create or add yourself into groups depending on personal and professional compatibility, so, say, two people investigating teleportation are more likely to match up. And people who aren't in a group are weird, and oh look, one more reason why the Brainiacs don't fit in.

So I was pondering this, because my brain is working on The One Where Kara is having to deal with some culture clash among her romantic relationships *even though* her expectations are the most sensible and obvious ones, dating aliens is hard.

Anyway, I was thinking about your Coluan networked marriage type arrangements. It makes sense, because they've got the brain power to spare on working out the relationship permutations (although, man, their guilty-pleasure soaps must be plotted with flowcharts in 5 dimensions). But also I wonder if the social idea behind them isn't that, yes, who doesn't crave intimacy, but there's a certain level of interchangeability about who you get it from.

In which case, Kara's dating other people might niggle at him because, sure, he accepts that poly relationships are natural, even if the transitive property is missing entirely... but isn't he more unique than that? Especially next to, say, Cassie Sandsmark. They have *nothing* in common! How can Kara get some fundamentally equivalent satisfaction from her relationships with them.


From: [identity profile] greenygal.livejournal.com

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Hey, coincidence, I was just thinking about this. The Coluan dating game, I mean.

But also I wonder if the social idea behind them isn't that, yes, who doesn't crave intimacy, but there's a certain level of interchangeability about who you get it from.

The image I have in my head is a little more complicated than this--I mean, yes, that's certainly part of it, and there are people who spend their lives moving from group to group in perfect equanimity and without looking back. But a stable two-or-three person grouping that adds and subtracts extra people over the years is also not uncommon, although they don't usually last forever. (Coluan lifespans factor into all this; when you live several centuries, "till death do you part" is a pretty serious commitment. It does happen, but rarely.) They don't use the phrase "junior partner", but they do have the concept of different levels of commitment to the partnership. (Actually they probably have a large, complicated vocabulary of terms to describe the difference between "hooked up for as long as it takes to sort out this microbiology anomaly together," "in a trial period to determine their compatibility with the group," "non-renewable five-year contract," "not actually part of the group but functioning as one while she crashes on our couch"...things like that.) So it depends; Kara dating outside of her marriage, as in the earlier discussion, is one thing. Brainy being just one of Kara's many flings...is more problematic, yes. Plus, the thing is that regardless of cultural upbringing, Brainy is not a natural poly. Relationship-wise, as in many other ways, he is a weird unColuan freak. I'm not sure if this is a dealbreaker; Kara isn't (I assume) going to push him to be out there having other relationships, and Brainy can go a long way on relatively little personal contact, so not having her constant attention is not a big deal. And unlike most people Kara is likely to be dating, he at least has the attitude that multi-person relationships are normal and he's the weird one for not wanting one. Still, when you're in love with someone desperately and exclusively and they're not...there's always going to be friction. Is Brainy off in the 30th century in this story? I think he could cope a lot better if he didn't have to see these people.

From: [identity profile] odditycollector.livejournal.com

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The image I have in my head is a little more complicated than this
I hope so! Our marriages are more complex and varied than their basic/historical/social purpose, which is usually attributed to DNA tracking and ownership. I was just trying to think of how they'd end up with something quite different. I guess there's always "there's always someone around to look after the childrens" but, ehhh.

I like the incredibly complicated Coluan relationship idea. It is much more fun than the usual takes!

Is Brainy off in the 30th century in this story? I think he could cope a lot better if he didn't have to see these people.
I was looking at some poly big bang fic/summaries, and it seemed like they were all about developing a functional and balanced OT+ while navigating societal expectations. And I thought that if I'd written one it would be about everyone involved having different societal expectations and sucking at negotiation also ending with the people at the tips of the V not closing the triangle or even liking each other very much. Now I keep plotting it to myself unless I can find something else to dwell on. It's very annoying.

Plus, the thing is that regardless of cultural upbringing, Brainy is not a natural poly. ...Still, when you're in love with someone desperately and exclusively and they're not...there's always going to be friction.
I know. It is what I belieeeeeve. I wish I knew how to write that story, dwelling on silly plots aside.

From: [identity profile] greenygal.livejournal.com

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I was just trying to think of how they'd end up with something quite different.

As I recall, I came up with this idea when I was trying to think of alien marriage customs that Coluans could have, and I thought about the Sleepnet and the telepathic merge in the cartoon and went, more or less, "Hey, maybe Coluans do it in groups!" So I wasn't really thinking of where it came from, in-universe.

I guess there's always "there's always someone around to look after the childrens" but, ehhh.

I actually ruled this issue out entirely in my head; I decided the kids are all raised in creches, tended to by groups who have signed up for that job--there are Coluans who view child-rearing as a vocation and stick with it for an indefinite period, but more commonly you agree to look after a specific "class" of kids until they're grown up (or maybe just until they're X years old, depending on whether you switch over groups as the kids get older) and then you can go back to your life. I'm not sure if the parents have any voice in this at all, or if there's a Progeny Commission somewhere combining likely-looking pairs of genes. But anyway, so people can move in and out of relationships without ever having to worry about what this will do to the kids. Plus the kids are expected to grow up with their strongest connection being to their year-mates, so while it's a sibling rather than a romantic bond, it's early socialization in being part of a group. And none of this applies to Brainy, because no one who was looking after him--his mom, his dad, evil scheming Coluan politicians, whoever--kept him in with a group. He's a Brainiac! He's special! And not coincidentally, he has no idea how to get along with other people because no one ever taught him. Yeah.

(The other thing I decided is that "not being able to get along with people" is actually a really big deal for a Coluan. Brainy actually gets a lot more slack than most people would because he's a Brainiac, but it's very much a tolerating-the-genius thing. Your average Coluan is expected to be able to adapt, to get along with the group, and if you absolutely *can't* you should part ways in a polite and civilized fashion. Non-Coluans don't get this because a) Coluans have a completely different set of rules for dealing with aliens b) the Coluan version of "getting along" can be pretty chilly to outside eyes and c) Coluans are so isolationist that B5 is the Coluan aliens are most likely to meet in person and he totally skews the data. *g*)

Now I keep plotting it to myself unless I can find something else to dwell on. It's very annoying.

You should totally write this story! Poor Kara and her flow chart of suitors.

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It has everything! Arranged marriage! Alien marriage customs! Polyamory! Political machinations! Family drama! Culture clash! Engineering! Disastrous engineering breakdowns! Godzilla!

*pauses to check the vast references of the Internet*

How about that, Krypton had its own Godzilla, the Flame Dragon (http://supermanica.superman.nu/index.php/Flame_Dragon). Or alternately the snagriff (http://mindmistress.tumblr.com/post/7419651270/snagriff), which seems to be the same thing with a slightly less generic name. You know, I'm not saying Colu is all corridors and labs, but I bet the large animal population was scienced out of existence some time ago. Brainy is like "Why do you have things that breathe fire on this planet??"

From: [identity profile] greenygal.livejournal.com

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It has everything! Arranged marriage! Alien marriage customs! Polyamory! Political machinations! Family drama! Culture clash! Engineering! Disastrous engineering breakdowns! Godzilla!

*pauses to check the vast references of the Internet*

How about that, Krypton had its own Godzilla, the Flame Dragon (http://supermanica.superman.nu/index.php/Flame_Dragon). Or alternately the snagriff (http://mindmistress.tumblr.com/post/7419651270/snagriff), which seems to be the same thing with a slightly less generic name. You know, I'm not saying Colu is all corridors and labs, but I bet the large animal population was scienced out of existence some time ago. Brainy is like "Why do you have things that breathe fire on this planet??"

From: [identity profile] greenygal.livejournal.com


Magneto/Xavier. Try to keep the response to #2 down to less than a page. :)

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1. When I started shipping them
When I saw the first X-men movie. That scene on... was it a catwalk? While Jean is giving her speech?

Just, their *expressions*.

2. What I think their challenge is
Heh. I answered this, once (http://odditycollector.dreamwidth.org/198186.html).

Less than a page, though? Okay. That what they believe is more important than what they love. If there was *nothing else* in the universe except each other it would probably work out between them!

3. What makes me happy about them
They are each other's touchstones, forever and always.

4. What makes me sad about them
God. Everything ever. Scene begins *after* the epic tragedy of their love affair.

5. What moment I wish had never happened
If that rumoured third movie had ever come out, maybe I would have something to put here!

6. Who I'd be comfortable them ending up with, if not each other
Hmm. The thing is, I would be willing to read Magneto/Mystique or Charles/Moira or whatever, but I'm unwilling to be convinced that there's anyone who could be more important to them than they are to each other. And that is a relationship killer.

Though Mystique might not particularly mind she is dating Magneto *and* Magneto's Xavier issues.

7. My happily ever after for them if I have one, or where I think they'll end up
Does *anyone* have a happily ever after for them? God.

I think the closest I've seen (other than where they run away to a deserted island together, which just isn't sustainable) is this bit (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v427/justiard/X-Men_209_018-copy.jpg). Even so, I doubt it'd be enough. (*My* current answer is in a 65% complete fic I may finish some day, anything's possible, so it'd be spoilers.)

8. A fanfic cliche that would work or really, really not work for them.
Bodyswitching. Erik should *not* have Charles Xavier's powerset. Could you imagine?

From: [identity profile] milkshake-b.livejournal.com


And now I realize I'm not sure who you ship. It's not one of the things that pops up in my head when I think of you.

From: [identity profile] odditycollector.livejournal.com


I ship people! Sometimes! It's just... not usually my primary lens.

But I am amazed you missed my deep need for Amanda Waller and Vril Dox II to hook up! And I refuse to believe anyone ever will be as important to Charles or Erik as they are to each other. And I would like Christina and Meredith to get together on Grey's Anatomy, although that might just be so maybe their respective boys will stop stealing screentime. And plus the two I answered, that is a whole hand's finger's worth!

...which sounds dirty, but I guess that's appropriate? :S
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