I would probably have more emotions about the upcoming DCU continuity reset if they didn't do this every 5 years, and thus the DCU I'm most invested in has already been burned away.

I just hope they end up working the Milestone characters into active roles after all, as DC kept promising. I haven't really heard rumours about *that* though, it's all "Will Superman and Wonder Woman get it on?" and "C'mon everyone, Barbra Gordon was most interesting as Batgirl, right? Right? Right?"
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From: [identity profile] lovelyzelda.livejournal.com


Ugh, a friend told me it was time for another Countdown for the Final Infinite Crisis Hour, and I asked her if I'd traveled back in time. She dashed my hopes by saying, no, it's a new mega-event THAT WILL CHANGE THE DCU UNIVERSE FOREVER.

From: [identity profile] kimberly-t.livejournal.com


"Time for another Countdown for the Final Infinite Crisis Hour!"

I can soooo see Ambush Bug taking a dramatic pose and saying that!

I kinda miss the days when the comics industry wasn't afraid to make fun of itself, with titles like Marvel's "What The...?"

From: [identity profile] lovelyzelda.livejournal.com


I really like the stuff I'm reading from the Golden and Silver Age. Some of it is incredibly stupid, but at least it's fun. So much modern stuff is GRIM DARK but still stupid. It's like we've confused "for mature audiences only" with actual maturity.

From: [identity profile] odditycollector.livejournal.com


Pretty much! As you say, it is gonna CHANGE THE DCU UNIVERSE FOREVER.

Just like last time. Eh.

From: [identity profile] lovelyzelda.livejournal.com


I just noticed how redundant that is, but I think it's appropriate.\

I picked up Zero Hour at the university library sale last year, and man oh man is that thing a waste of space. I still don't know what happened in Final Crisis, and I'm pretty sure I've read it twice.

From: [identity profile] kimberly-t.livejournal.com


I haven't really heard rumours about *that* though, it's all "Will Superman and Wonder Woman get it on?"

I thought the rumors were about a Batman / Wonder Woman romance? I dunno, I'm not anywhere near the rumor mills, but I really got that impression from someone else I know who still follows the comics.

What, did Lois die (again?) 'Cause Superman is just flat-out not the cheating kind of guy.

From: [identity profile] odditycollector.livejournal.com


Well, there may be a bunch of rumours floating around. The Superman/WW one is just the one I heard.

And I doubt they'll kill off Lois, but apparently they're making everyone younger so it could be Lois/Clark isn't a thing yet? (Which. Whatever. Lois/Clark is like the most interesting part of the Superman mythos.)

From: [identity profile] the_willow.insanejournal.com


It would hurt more than it does, if I hadn't already gone numb and washed my hands of DC (and Marvel for that matter - Civil War was THE END, for me.) a while ago. And 'The Death of Batman' was just the final straw. Not because they killed him off, but because I knew it was all about a brief bump in sales and had nothing to do with legacy and purpose and thus in my eyes, Batman Died for no good reason but money, which as I do Batman fannishness, is as close to sacrilege as it gets.

Doesn't matter they would and did bring him back. It mattered they squandered his death, one or two pretty stories reflecting how he's damn near 'One Of The Endless' not withstanding.

Over and over they stab the golden goose and wiggle the knife inside and take no care of comfort or good food. Amazing animal? Meh. Money in the feathered bank 'smack smack'.

From: [identity profile] odditycollector.insanejournal.com


one or two pretty stories reflecting how he's damn near 'One Of The Endless' not withstanding.
Oh jeez, I have no idea if those stories were any good, I was scared off by the concept.

Also I think it's around that time I stopped reading basically everything except Supergirl and Amanda Waller's guest appearances. if I hadn't already gone numb is, yeah, about right.

Though, I'm still pissed about Oracle. Gail Simone gave this interview... the problem with Babs as Oracle is she's too awesome at what she does - it doesn't leave enough story space for *Batman* to be awesome. It is always about the dudes. (Even if you are a fan of the dude in question!)

A lot of readers and a lot of editors had a story problem with Oracle, in that she made for such an easy, convenient story accelerator, that we missed the sense of having characters have to struggle to discover, to solve mysteries. Famously, it helped make Batman less of a detective and more of a monster hunter. (http://www.newsarama.com/comics/gail-simone-dicusses-batgirl-and-oracle-110609.html)

Though they're doing a Static ongoing after all, so. That's. Slightly more acceptable.

From: [identity profile] the_willow.insanejournal.com


It may seem an odd thing to say, but I think the PTB in comics exec halls, need to go to Fandom U. They're really, really stuck in a land of 'Cannot, Will not, does not'. They somehow don't know the trick of working around the obstacles or between them even, and ending up with a better story because of the restrictions. Maybe it is because they don't analyze the works half as much as even the most shallow fannish individual interrogates the story, far less interrogation and criticism of the lack fo social justice and representation etc...

I personally don't see why Oracle can't be Oracle, and Batman can't be Batman. Maybe she one ups him on occasion - maybe that would amuse him, perhaps because part of his plan might be to rely on her skills so he can focus elsewhere. The Bat family is all hot air talk about being loners, and then sticking together like ducks bound with glue. The family platapus, all these different elements and yet somehow it all works.

If Batman's writers aren't writing him as a detective anymore, get better writers, put out mandates that he does -detecting- that he puts clues together. See a need, see a problem, be the solution, create what you want, fill the hole you see. Fannish creedo, y'know?

And right this second I giggle at the -family- subtext in Batman slipping backdoors into Oracle's systems, that she finds and plugs and sends tracers against his systems that he finds and plugs - both of them getting better for it; which has nothing to do with them both being amazing tacticians, informaton gatherers, etc.

But then again, I loved Oracle for how she embraced the Batman creedo that crime fighting is about faith, determination and using one's brain; making a difference comes of THINKING about HOW one can make a difference.

I say all this, without looking at the link (I've had newsarama blocked for years from loading on my browsers).

The characters I love are safest in my head. In my head, Batgirl became a -fighter- with Cass Caine. She never got her mind all screwed around; someone with half a brain realized that sign language is a LANGUAGE and involves bodymovement and thus could be a transition point for her. In my head Tim becomes his own hero, leaving the label of Robin behind. Heck, in my head Bruce gets older, Nightwing runs his own team (a version of the Outsiders) and Barb occasionally calls him a supplamental 'Bird of Prey'. In my head Supergirl has her own city to protect and her mentor isn't Lana Lang, but her other cousin. In my head WW is an Ambassador of Thymascara, A UN Ambassador of Peace; a diplomat working on various human injustices/promoting social justice and secretly supporting a group of urban Amazons; regular humans believing in her mission and the 'dream' of Amazon life. The person WW runs into the most is actually Amanda Waller, who's usually on assignment from the US government to destabilize the places that WW wants to protect or do something else underhanded with her team and her devotion to protecting the US's power-base.

I don't even write out the characters in my head - just this bit writing here is a big departure, because they're safer in my head. They're safer without someone picking up the idea and running with it, and me daring to get the least bit excited and then discovering the Urban Amazons all white, or Waller a total villain instead of perhaps a very dark anti-hero working within the system, etc...etc... Or someone thinking the only way Batman contributes to anything is with old school detecting of fingerprints and DNA and throwing money at the JL or JLA.

From: [identity profile] odditycollector.insanejournal.com


perhaps because part of his plan might be to rely on her skills so he can focus elsewhere.
You would *think*. *I* would think. But I guess Batman can't be celebrated enough as competent if he's surrounded by other competent people?

Also.
The person WW runs into the most is actually Amanda Waller, who's usually on assignment from the US government to destabilize the places that WW wants to protect or do something else underhanded with her team and her devotion to protecting the US's power-base.
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Would Read.

I also read your excerpt from the Static interview and... no. That is not the thing I wanted to hear. :(
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