For the record, I am not *unhappy* with the ending. Yes, we all called it, and no, I am not anything close to 100% sure there was a coherent plot in there, but if that was a deal breaker I'd have walked away a couple seasons ago.

(...Okay, I *am* miffed about the "Spaceships into the SUN" thing; if there was a point beyond no one being allowed shiny things if Adama lost his shiny things, I have no idea.)

And I get why the panoramic shots. They were necessary, after 4 seasons of cramped quarters and muted colours and jerky cameras. The problem came from trying to take the same wide view with the dimension of *time*. There were too many unanswered questions, and so the planet-side scenes did not feel like that moment of smooth coasting before the roller coaster came to a complete stop. There was still suspense - we were still *waiting* for one last dip and turn - and the ending went on so long it soured into impatience.

I know, I know, the show *tried*. It's just that -
Q: WTF?
A: God Did It.
- is not actually a satisfying solution to every mystery* ever. Or any of them, even.

And yes, [livejournal.com profile] m_butterfly, you were right about the random Good Omens crossover**. ALTHOUGH. Maybe it is a Hitch-hiker's Guide crossover ALSO? Earth Mark 2 just got contaminated all to hell, you guys!

*I remain amazed that my Starbuck == Power Girl theory was never actually Jossed! Because I don't know about you, but "God Did It" is maybe an arguable explanation for visions and prophetic dreams, but they did not *hallucinate* Kara Thrace flying around and shooting things and setting coordinates into the computer.

**So that would make Hera what, then, Anti-christ version...4? 5? How many fallen civilizations *did* they list at the end?
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From: [identity profile] davidkevin.livejournal.com



I am Not Pleased that they threw away spaceflight, thereby keeping them stuck in the case of an Extinction Event (which in our reality nearly happened about halfway between then and the present (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toba_catastrophe_theory)); on the other hand, I can see them being sick and tired of running from catastrophe, not to mention tired of high technology, even if I think that blaming the latter is short-sighted.

And someone should tell somebody that white birch trees don't grow in Africa, and never did.

God did it? Well, remember that it doesn't like that name, which is a simple substitution code: GOD = RDM. RDM did it.

And where are the robotic Cylons today? Did they even survive this long on their own?

It was kind of cool to use the original series robots at the end, as wall as the original theme music one more time. And I noticed that in the final battle the Colonials treated their Centurion allies as equals, not as cannon fodder, also cool if surprisingly mature.

And where in the Solar System is the First Earth? And if not here, than orbiting what nearby star? Details, details! [sigh]

And all Baltar needed was the Pagan equivalent of a Bar-Mitzvah, as he finally became a man.

He even mourned his father at the end, bless him.

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From: [identity profile] sinanju.livejournal.com


Re: throwing away spaceflight...

Well, they glossed over it in the series, but really--they didn't have the capital (human or technological) to sustain that level of technology. They had 38,000 humans--many or most of whom may have been able to operate and maintain spacecraft (given that the fleet had to include the crews of all those ships), but how many could possibly have created, for instance, a fab facility like Intel's to produce more microchips to keep all those electronics working?

Galactica couldn't possibly have been the only ship on its last legs. And there were never going to be more spare parts, ever. They'd have slowly regressed to far more primitive conditions eventually. A clean break (as much as I don't believe it for a moment) at least provided two things:

1. No evidence of a long-extinct high tech civilization for us to find.
2. Our heroes voluntarily embraced a lifestyle which would be solitary, nasty, brutish and short...instead of us fading to black as they huddled around the last flickering remnants of a high tech society they couldn't possibly hope to maintain. That would have been a real downer of an ending.

From: [identity profile] azarias.livejournal.com


That's like saying that if you've got gangrene in your left foot, you should cut both your legs off at the hip just so that you won't ever have to amputate another lower limb. It's generally a better idea to cut the foot off and try not to get infected elsewhere while you learn to hop more efficiently.

There's a big gap between faster-than-light space tech and a subsistence-level existence, and it's not an either/or proposition. Sure, they probably couldn't have whipped up computers any time soon, or built a new FTL drive when theirs eventually gave out. But they could have forged metal. Made wheels, axes, shovels, plows. Steam power isn't that hard when you know how to do it, nor basic electricity if you can manipulate metal well enough to make wires and generators.

They had engineers, mechanics, electricians, chemists. Most of their ships almost certainly had machine shops. We see them fabricating spare parts in the series! It's not enough to keep the ships flying indefinitely, not as hard as they've fought and traveled with no safe port to work in, but there are simpler machines than space tech. There are simpler machines that make your life a lot nicer than it's going to be when you and your small band walk off across the veldt with nothing but the clothes on your back and a sleeping bag.

They didn't take shovels. They were planning on being dirt farmers without farming tools or seed stock or irrigation. They were planning on hunting with sticks and rocks.

What I'm saying is that there's a big difference between accepting that you can't be a spacefaring civilization any more and settling down to live reasonably, and committing a particularly nasty form of mass suicide, which is what they did.
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From: [identity profile] sinanju.livejournal.com


Your logic irrefutable.

I didn't actually buy into the concept myself. I can't believe they'd actually throw away all their tech either--I sure as hell wouldn't. I'm trying to put the best light on it, but really you're right. It's absurd.

From: [identity profile] odditycollector.livejournal.com


It *did* seem implied that the humans died off relatively quickly (except for Hera's line, if she counts as human)

From: [identity profile] m-butterfly.livejournal.com


Not at all. Remember that mitochondrial DNA comes from the mother: all identifying Hera as "Eve" means is that the Eights eventually married into everyone else's family but no Eight remains have ever been found. Given the time frame, it's remarkable Hera's remains survived either.
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Someone else commented elsewhere: "So they're going back to its Mormon roots?" which I think is not completely a misreading of the ending. You know, based on what I know of the ending from various peoples' flailings.

From: [identity profile] m-butterfly.livejournal.com


I've ranted about this elsewhere--here (http://alethialia.livejournal.com/357929.html?thread=4520489&style=mine#t4520489)--but the problem with him fucking up the God Did It plot is it means that the only logical place to go is that God doesn't like being called God because he prefers Ron. And the infuriating thing is he didn't even manage to do the God thing enough: one of the major moments of storytelling fail is Racetrack's nukes being set off at just the perfect moment by a random rock. And yet, within the plotline he was setting up, there was no reason for one of the head!people not to turn to another one and go, "Excellent aim!" "Why thank you!"

He was wimping out on his own freaking "God Did It" plot.


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