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odditycollector ([personal profile] odditycollector) wrote2006-04-19 08:34 pm

This would have been easier if I could draw.

I really should know better, but I clicked on a link to the DC message boards, topic of the new Frank Miller cover.

In summary... this is why I’m going to stay way the hell over here okay thanks. However, one exchange did catch my attention and would not let me shake it as it might have a sane person.

[livejournal.com profile] maelithil:
Depicting [women] as an ass, a pair of tits, some gorgeous thighs is doing them a disservice. Distilling them into nothing but their sexual attributes is objectifying. And that's exactly what this cover does.


Random Fanboy:
And notice that Superman's chest is OFTEN a whole panel unto itself. Not Superman fighting the bad guy. Not Superman standing full figure. Superman's chest. Just his chest. His huge, massive, S-draped, extraterrestrially muscular chest. Is Superman being objectified? Is he being used? Should I cry for Superman?


And. Just. What? This is the counterexample?

But! Maybe it’s not that his logic is just that scary. Maybe it's hard to understand what she’s talking about because it really, honestly is that there’s no comparable example featuring a male denizen of the DCU. I mean, even the occasional Nightwing crotch shot *tries* to have context.

Obviously, something had to be done. For The Good Of Fandom.

Luckily, much like Miller, I have no shame.

 
Totally Appropriate Covers (with bonus, never before seen script excerpts!)

 



Hal’s flying away from us through a generic starfield, nothing interesting to see except him. Have him wriggle around, giving us a good shot of his package. Add some details, something fancy for the fanboys to drool over, but don’t let it draw attention away from the point of the cover – that Kyle has nothing, NOTHING, on my boy Hal.

 



Be careful with this one – we don’t want Supes to come off as too powerful, too imposing. Maybe have him lean a bit, off balance, the better to show off his *well filled* briefs. He's fiddling with the waist line, such a cock *heh* tease. He knows he’s got what we want, and if we turn the cover, he’ll let us have it.

 



Well, we’ve done just about every variation on the theme by now, so let’s go back to the basics: Black on black, a full cover shot of Batman’s ass. Add in the utility belt for colour – give it that Sin City look. Show me thick, powerful legs under that latex or whatever the hell he wears. Clenched butt muscles. Make it obvious this is no BatGIRL we’re talking about.


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[identity profile] odditycollector.livejournal.com 2006-05-15 07:20 pm (UTC)(link)
They are not being objectified, they are being idolized.

Have you thought about getting into the church building business?

"And when the sun sets in the evening, the light through the stained glass window of Mother Mary's ass suffuses the prayer area in a comforting glow..."

[identity profile] odditycollector.livejournal.com 2006-05-15 07:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Aw man. *There's* an image.

No, I think if there are any G'nort-ass-shots out there, the only possible explanation is that he took them himself. And mailed them to Guy.

(Anonymous) 2006-05-15 08:30 pm (UTC)(link)
If objectification is bad, why do females objectify themselves.
Can someone answer??

[identity profile] onceupon.livejournal.com 2006-05-15 08:49 pm (UTC)(link)
*sigh*

You've obviously been having a field day, responding to comments throughout this thread. And I don't have time to talk to someone who isn't interested in actual discourse. And so, my only response is that you seem dreadfully repressed about sex and masturbation. Maybe you ought to just relax.

(Anonymous) 2006-05-15 09:05 pm (UTC)(link)
I am interested in discourse. I would like to know what's the difference between 'bad objectification' vs 'good objectification'. Why are women so willing to objectify themselves? If it's such a horrible thing.
Oh I know. Maybe they don't care. Maybe it's just a bunch of bs.

And yes, the kind of pose that wonderwoman had in that cover pic is the kind of pose a porn model might have. And people masturbate to that. If you are so relaxed about it, why do you have a problem with the wonderwoman pic? It, and others like it are just softcore porn, as stated above. So relax. ;)

Thanks for not feeding the Troll

[identity profile] odditycollector.livejournal.com 2006-05-15 09:06 pm (UTC)(link)
Sorry 'bout this - I don't know if it was linked somewhere new, but there's been a dramatic increase in trolls of late.

Re: Thanks for not feeding the Troll

(Anonymous) 2006-05-15 09:07 pm (UTC)(link)
lol, you can't reply something of value to me, so you call me a troll. Loser.

Re: Thanks for not feeding the Troll

(Anonymous) 2006-05-15 09:10 pm (UTC)(link)
You know, I asked this question of many objectification-criers before. I never got a straight answer once. ;)

I just want a normal straight answer, please.

About good and bad objectification. About what's wrong with the cover pic if porn is fine.

Re: Thanks for not feeding the Troll

[identity profile] odditycollector.livejournal.com 2006-05-15 09:27 pm (UTC)(link)
You know, I asked this question of many objectification-criers before. I never got a straight answer once. ;)
Oh, gee. I wonder if it could be something in your presentation?

[identity profile] odditycollector.livejournal.com 2006-05-15 09:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Is that ASSBAT by any chance from that cheesy George Clooney version? O_O
Nope! Underwear model. *g* (Although I hear no one would be surprised either way -- *rubber nipples*. Ouch.)

Supergirl? (small voice)is actually kind of possible(/small voice)
*nods* Well, within "Turner-stylized" parameters, at least. But the costume... man. I blame a lot of evils on the costume. Or, more accurately, the costume on a lot of evils.

Again, thank you so, so very much- it really needed to be done.
*g* Thanks. And it looks like it did -- I've been taken aback by the response to this.

Re: Thanks for not feeding the Troll

(Anonymous) 2006-05-15 10:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Can you answer please?

[identity profile] librisia.livejournal.com 2006-05-15 11:04 pm (UTC)(link)
bwahahahaha!

I <3 you.

[identity profile] zandperl.livejournal.com 2006-05-16 12:10 am (UTC)(link)
Ugh. I'm afraid I agree with Western culture's ideal that men are not physically beautiful. Those are gross! And quite effective.

[identity profile] fickle-goddess.livejournal.com 2006-05-16 02:29 am (UTC)(link)
...Wow. XD Way to make your point!

Mind if I link to this in the next post I make?

Re: Thanks for not feeding the Troll

[identity profile] onceupon.livejournal.com 2006-05-16 12:40 pm (UTC)(link)
*shrug* I think it kind of comes with the forum and with the topic. I'm sorry that s/he's blasting your journal like this. It's kind of a bummer, since it distracts from real conversations, but them's the proverbial breaks when it comes to gender issues.

Again, those are awesomely done covers and the Miller-style commentary on them really drives the point home.

[identity profile] alexisallen.livejournal.com 2006-05-16 02:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Green Lantern is hawt. I am totally buying that comic.

[identity profile] alexisallen.livejournal.com 2006-05-16 02:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Because they live in a culture where women are routinely exploited, where it's considered normal to be obsessed with their physical attributes and peculiar to not. It's horrifying that you're implying that women are to blame for this.

[identity profile] alexisallen.livejournal.com 2006-05-16 03:09 pm (UTC)(link)
On the flip side, how about the rapid success of the shoujo market for women, filled to the brim with beautiful boys who are as androgynous as they are hopelessly attractive?

And if you're going to try to justify this, what you say is that these are drawings, and fantasies, and boys are smart enough to know the difference between a drawing of boobs and a real girl. That's the argument I'd pose, anyway.

[identity profile] alexisallen.livejournal.com 2006-05-16 03:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh wait. Not that you are trying to justify this. Sorry, I'm getting everyone's opinions all jumbled up.

Re: I love that detail.

[identity profile] elisem.livejournal.com 2006-05-16 05:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Indeed. Yowza.

(Anonymous) 2006-05-16 05:39 pm (UTC)(link)
lol. Yeah like her http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=1815099
She is helluva objectified. :)

You aren't being serious.

[identity profile] njtech.livejournal.com 2006-05-16 09:02 pm (UTC)(link)
you win the internet. awesome covers

[identity profile] zandperl.livejournal.com 2006-05-16 09:31 pm (UTC)(link)
No worries. :)

Just this weekend I was watching the Final Fantasy 7 movie, and I remarked to my boyfriend how bizarre it was that Cloud has these rippling Schwarzenegger biceps, and yet such an effeminate face.

[identity profile] sammka.livejournal.com 2006-05-17 01:53 am (UTC)(link)
There's a gay bar here in DC called the Green Lantern. When they find this, they are so going to put your first picture up on their wall. Just so you know!

[identity profile] sammka.livejournal.com 2006-05-17 02:07 am (UTC)(link)
Because there's a difference between trying to be physically attractive and being reduced to solely physical attibutes by other people?

This comment is so stupid it hurt my brain.

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