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odditycollector ([personal profile] odditycollector) wrote2006-04-19 08:34 pm

This would have been easier if I could draw.

I really should know better, but I clicked on a link to the DC message boards, topic of the new Frank Miller cover.

In summary... this is why I’m going to stay way the hell over here okay thanks. However, one exchange did catch my attention and would not let me shake it as it might have a sane person.

[livejournal.com profile] maelithil:
Depicting [women] as an ass, a pair of tits, some gorgeous thighs is doing them a disservice. Distilling them into nothing but their sexual attributes is objectifying. And that's exactly what this cover does.


Random Fanboy:
And notice that Superman's chest is OFTEN a whole panel unto itself. Not Superman fighting the bad guy. Not Superman standing full figure. Superman's chest. Just his chest. His huge, massive, S-draped, extraterrestrially muscular chest. Is Superman being objectified? Is he being used? Should I cry for Superman?


And. Just. What? This is the counterexample?

But! Maybe it’s not that his logic is just that scary. Maybe it's hard to understand what she’s talking about because it really, honestly is that there’s no comparable example featuring a male denizen of the DCU. I mean, even the occasional Nightwing crotch shot *tries* to have context.

Obviously, something had to be done. For The Good Of Fandom.

Luckily, much like Miller, I have no shame.

 
Totally Appropriate Covers (with bonus, never before seen script excerpts!)

 



Hal’s flying away from us through a generic starfield, nothing interesting to see except him. Have him wriggle around, giving us a good shot of his package. Add some details, something fancy for the fanboys to drool over, but don’t let it draw attention away from the point of the cover – that Kyle has nothing, NOTHING, on my boy Hal.

 



Be careful with this one – we don’t want Supes to come off as too powerful, too imposing. Maybe have him lean a bit, off balance, the better to show off his *well filled* briefs. He's fiddling with the waist line, such a cock *heh* tease. He knows he’s got what we want, and if we turn the cover, he’ll let us have it.

 



Well, we’ve done just about every variation on the theme by now, so let’s go back to the basics: Black on black, a full cover shot of Batman’s ass. Add in the utility belt for colour – give it that Sin City look. Show me thick, powerful legs under that latex or whatever the hell he wears. Clenched butt muscles. Make it obvious this is no BatGIRL we’re talking about.


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Well done!

[identity profile] jex-kerome.livejournal.com 2006-05-17 10:55 am (UTC)(link)
Kudos for making the perfect Obvious stick to beat horny blind fanboys over the head with. Now to unleash these on some people I know...

wonderful

(Anonymous) 2006-05-17 03:26 pm (UTC)(link)
This is fantastic. Thank you. Nothing like a image to make a point.

And may I say, your Superman is much hotter than any official version I've ever seen. Actually *realistic* musculature, and more attractive than the over-bulked, steroid, anatomically-impossible meathead look. I've always hated Superman -- such a boy scout. But your cover...ah, so that's why he wears his undies on the outside. So Madonna-esque of Superman to call attention to his assets that way.

Jen

[identity profile] geniusdreams.livejournal.com 2006-05-17 03:45 pm (UTC)(link)
And who made us this way?

Women did.

Because females are fucked up sadistic monsters who have tried (and managed) to physically disfigure one half of their own species, via sexual selection, done for anti-aesthetic purposes.

How sick is that? If I threw acid on a woman's face to disfigure her, you'd think I was sick. But if 99.9% of females have disfigured all the male's faces... NO that's just fine! But what females have done to us is even WORSE than acid-attacks, because you've damaged our DNA, so it affects all future generations, unlike the acid-attack.

This just goes to show, that there is no monster in reality or fantasy, more twisted and fake, than the average female.

[identity profile] geniusdreams.livejournal.com 2006-05-17 03:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Yeah, he's got a feminine face.

Just like god has a male face. Would you say that God should have a male face?

Dumbass.

He's got the same face you'd expect children to have. Why not say he has a male face. After all, it's HIS face.

Just goes to show how females are fucked up and try to steal everything good for themselves. What next, you think the planet Earth is a female being? Or that "women create life"?

Very Funny

(Anonymous) 2006-05-17 04:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Hi-

Here from MSNBC "clicked".

I think the covers are Great but I question whether the proportions are out of whack enough. Shouldn't Superman have a Gi-normous Phallus?
The way woman are drawn they would have a hard time walking. I think turn about is fairplay.

[identity profile] odditycollector.livejournal.com 2006-05-17 05:14 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks!

And sure, go ahead - the internet is for porn links!

[identity profile] sir-johanna.livejournal.com 2006-05-17 10:41 pm (UTC)(link)
That Green Lantern cover wins. ;D

IT's all about the gay, yes, yes?

(Anonymous) 2006-05-18 06:58 am (UTC)(link)
Fanboy comic-art is all about the confused sexual identity finding and home-erotic tendencies and unrealised fantasies of creators and creators' audience, male and tiny female pop, yes, yes, and these parodies, hmm, hmm, cough, cough, drive home straight to crotch and cerebral maximus cortex causing laughter, hmmm, and shock and horror, oh my, realization, oh oh, nah, can't be that something unhetreo is going on, check out cheesy Filmation animation, now on DVD, series from dawn of Reagan era, He-Man, unintentiomal or deliberate homeerotic tongue in butt cheek references every third line of dialogue, urp, yes did fanboy comic, is about fanning the game gay flame within, uh uh, oh no.

Re: IT's all about the gay, yes, yes?

[identity profile] odditycollector.livejournal.com 2006-05-18 07:10 am (UTC)(link)
Scary, isn't it? Maybe Wertham got it *right*...

The most subtle and pervading effect of crime comics on children can be summarized in a single phrase: moral disarmament... Robin is a handsome athletic boy, usually showing his uniform with bare legs. He is buoyant with energy and devoted to nothing on earth or interplanetary space as much as Bruce Wayne. He often stands with legs spread, the genital region discreetly evident.
--Seduction of the Innocent, 1954.

[identity profile] theblackscorpio.livejournal.com 2006-05-18 10:14 am (UTC)(link)
May I make icons of especially the Batman behind?

[identity profile] vamysteryfan.livejournal.com 2006-05-18 01:06 pm (UTC)(link)
You rock, both on your opinion and your artwork!

[identity profile] the-xtina.livejournal.com 2006-05-18 02:42 pm (UTC)(link)
http://devilspanties.keenspot.com/d/20040422.html

[identity profile] apricot-tree.livejournal.com 2006-05-18 03:40 pm (UTC)(link)
LOL!

Whoa!

(Anonymous) 2006-05-18 07:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Me likey tha comic boys!

This stuff is awesome. I'd get back into comics again if they had more like these.

Oh, and Vagabond Sal, who's the guy in the picture with his hand down his white silk undies?

[identity profile] g-pudding.livejournal.com 2006-05-20 02:26 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah. I think that Wolvie cover actually is the sort of thing ("objectified male") that you were talking about. As a straight male fan I would like to say, that I am not at all offended or perturbed by this sort of thing. Girl (and gay) fans should get their fanservice too, by golly.

Re: um?

[identity profile] g-pudding.livejournal.com 2006-05-20 02:27 am (UTC)(link)
Isn't Image kind of infamous for T&A art?
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Re: Looks good to me

[identity profile] pervyficgirl.livejournal.com 2006-05-21 08:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Most importantly of all, why in the holy hell should comics ever be "meant to appeal primarily to men"? Particularly when you're talking about Wonder Woman?

[identity profile] sholamith.livejournal.com 2006-05-23 12:18 am (UTC)(link)
A friend directed me to your journal: That's hysterical! I loved how you handled the prevalent taste
for T&A that panders to adolescent hormonal males.

[identity profile] a-blue-moon-cat.livejournal.com 2006-05-24 10:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Came here from a friend's LJ. Going to rec this post in my LJ. You've hit on a point that's bugged me about comix for years. Basically the women are drawn like Barbie dolls, with too long of legs, and the sexual parts totally focused on, to the exclusion of almost all else.
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[personal profile] archangelbeth 2006-05-26 12:47 am (UTC)(link)
*applause*

You so rock.

[identity profile] bwrynn.livejournal.com 2006-06-06 08:46 pm (UTC)(link)
>And to do this to Wonder Woman, off all characters. Where the fuck is her arm? It was in the way of a boob, so off it goes?

More ironic in that she's an *Amazon*.
Mythgeek mode off.

[identity profile] scarfe.livejournal.com 2006-06-06 09:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Good point.

(Anonymous) 2006-06-15 03:15 am (UTC)(link)
Um, yes.

Definitely.

And the reason we can't go out and pick these up and blow them up for the cons to make a point (while purchasing a few regular size for our own private collections - heh) is -- what, now?

[identity profile] fenrisulfr.livejournal.com 2006-06-15 02:04 pm (UTC)(link)
These are awesome, and I think most of what is to be said has been said. I'm going to pass these around.

Also: am I the only one who thinks Frank Miller's art looks like he did it with Oekaki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oekaki) software?

[identity profile] femiwhat.livejournal.com 2006-06-15 04:37 pm (UTC)(link)
This is hysterical!

Superman's chest is shown by itself so much because it's practically his name tag. That big S is an announcement that he's there to smite evil. Or something.

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