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odditycollector ([personal profile] odditycollector) wrote2006-04-19 08:34 pm

This would have been easier if I could draw.

I really should know better, but I clicked on a link to the DC message boards, topic of the new Frank Miller cover.

In summary... this is why I’m going to stay way the hell over here okay thanks. However, one exchange did catch my attention and would not let me shake it as it might have a sane person.

[livejournal.com profile] maelithil:
Depicting [women] as an ass, a pair of tits, some gorgeous thighs is doing them a disservice. Distilling them into nothing but their sexual attributes is objectifying. And that's exactly what this cover does.


Random Fanboy:
And notice that Superman's chest is OFTEN a whole panel unto itself. Not Superman fighting the bad guy. Not Superman standing full figure. Superman's chest. Just his chest. His huge, massive, S-draped, extraterrestrially muscular chest. Is Superman being objectified? Is he being used? Should I cry for Superman?


And. Just. What? This is the counterexample?

But! Maybe it’s not that his logic is just that scary. Maybe it's hard to understand what she’s talking about because it really, honestly is that there’s no comparable example featuring a male denizen of the DCU. I mean, even the occasional Nightwing crotch shot *tries* to have context.

Obviously, something had to be done. For The Good Of Fandom.

Luckily, much like Miller, I have no shame.

 
Totally Appropriate Covers (with bonus, never before seen script excerpts!)

 



Hal’s flying away from us through a generic starfield, nothing interesting to see except him. Have him wriggle around, giving us a good shot of his package. Add some details, something fancy for the fanboys to drool over, but don’t let it draw attention away from the point of the cover – that Kyle has nothing, NOTHING, on my boy Hal.

 



Be careful with this one – we don’t want Supes to come off as too powerful, too imposing. Maybe have him lean a bit, off balance, the better to show off his *well filled* briefs. He's fiddling with the waist line, such a cock *heh* tease. He knows he’s got what we want, and if we turn the cover, he’ll let us have it.

 



Well, we’ve done just about every variation on the theme by now, so let’s go back to the basics: Black on black, a full cover shot of Batman’s ass. Add in the utility belt for colour – give it that Sin City look. Show me thick, powerful legs under that latex or whatever the hell he wears. Clenched butt muscles. Make it obvious this is no BatGIRL we’re talking about.


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[identity profile] green-lipped.livejournal.com 2006-07-09 03:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Hi! I found this post via the f word (http://www.thefword.org.uk/index), and I was wondering whether you minded if I gave a link to it in a community I'm part of called [livejournal.com profile] feminist_fandom? We were discussing the Frank Miller panels a few entries back.

[identity profile] odditycollector.livejournal.com 2006-07-10 10:29 am (UTC)(link)
*grins* Certainly, feel free!

[identity profile] ladydreamer.livejournal.com 2006-07-10 03:18 pm (UTC)(link)
This is just excellent!

[identity profile] sabonasi.livejournal.com 2006-07-13 07:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Do you mind if I link to this post over at feminist? Please? It's quite brilliant.

[identity profile] houndartemis.livejournal.com 2006-07-14 03:57 am (UTC)(link)
Oh god... that was awesome. That has got to most well-written satire I've read on LJ. And it's true, every word of it. Thanks, I needed that.

[identity profile] odditycollector.livejournal.com 2006-07-14 07:07 am (UTC)(link)
*g* Thanks a lot!

It's neat to know people are still reading it.

[identity profile] odditycollector.livejournal.com 2006-07-14 07:08 am (UTC)(link)
Not at all. :D

[identity profile] odditycollector.livejournal.com 2006-07-14 07:08 am (UTC)(link)
Thank you!

Re: nuts

[identity profile] moochymonster.livejournal.com 2006-07-14 07:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Christ. Don't bring Europe into this.

[identity profile] horosha.livejournal.com 2006-07-15 02:52 am (UTC)(link)
HAHAHAHAHA! Awesome.

[identity profile] horosha.livejournal.com 2006-07-15 03:04 am (UTC)(link)
I was thinking the same thing. Like, "This is Frank Miller? I could have sworn I saw this pic on 4chan."

[identity profile] r-kaji.livejournal.com 2006-08-09 12:03 am (UTC)(link)
As a Frank Miller fan, this is a conflicted issue for me.

On the one hand, I don't find anything too bad about this particular cover. Yes, it is sexy, but I don't see how sex itself objectifies women. I do agree that women are objectified in comics, I just don't think this cover or Frank Miller are the best examples of it.

On the OTHER hand, I did stop reading All-Star Batman & Robin after the second issue, feeling immense disappointment, and one of the reasons was that Frank spent five entire pages showing a girl in her underwear as opposed to progressing the plot.
brownbetty: (He's the goddamn Batman)

[personal profile] brownbetty 2006-08-18 06:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Dude, sometimes I come back to this entry and troll through the comments looking for stupid, but you always pwn.

[identity profile] schmi.livejournal.com 2006-10-22 12:09 am (UTC)(link)
Best. Post. Ever.

Damn!

(Anonymous) 2006-11-08 03:23 pm (UTC)(link)
That is so damn cool. Great work! It makes me laugh. I wonder if there's a market for your work?

Re: nuts

(Anonymous) 2006-11-26 05:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, 'Europe' isn't the third world. I don't know what this 'daily struggle' is that you speak of, because as a European (OK, as a Brit, but that makes me European...), I don't know what you're talking about. Sophistication does not, nor ever had an 'f' in it. Also, I know we have a famous sense of humour here, but I really, really fail to see what is funny about the cover or showing women as nothing but inflatable dolls.

Frank Miller is not an awful artist in himself. He is capable of sexy, anatomically reasonable art that isn't too exaggerated by sexual fetishes. But that cover, in itself was not artistically good. The ribcage was impossible, the hips and waist severely and impossibly twisted, and the buttocks likewise impossible. If you can't admit that, then maybe you're the one who refuses to see the truth because of your preferences for his art.

If you're only allowed to have an opinion if you've gone to art school, why are you commenting? and what is this mysterious 'or something' that also gives you the right to express your opinion? Every opinion whether for or against this art has equal right to be expressed.

Also, women need the kind of men who think these female representations are realistic or acceptable, and that women need to conform to them, to tell them what feminism is and isn't? You don't need to be puritanical to notice that women in Western Comics are sex objects first, and characters not just second, but last. If it's a puritanical, obsessive bubble, it must be a very big one, because it probably encompasses nearly half the population on this planet.

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(Anonymous) 2007-01-12 09:30 am (UTC)(link)
Hi all!


G'night

[identity profile] spaceanddeath.livejournal.com 2007-02-24 11:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Heh. Great post.

But you forgot to *tatoo* your initials onto their bodies (like the FM on the woman's thigh), just to make sure everyone would be sure to know that it is you that owns them.

GAH!

(Anonymous) 2007-04-02 03:56 am (UTC)(link)
Now I must wash my brain. Thanks for the mentallay searing Image. *sigh* Hey you want to hear REAL funny, According to one of my semi local newspapers, The 300 is attracting a whole unexpected section of the audience, gay men. Yup gay men. Hmmmm I wonder if this is Franks way of telling us something :)

[identity profile] timbergarages.livejournal.com 2007-04-08 11:02 pm (UTC)(link)
Somebody please tell me there is a pair of socks stuffed down those pants!

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you don't know who the hell I am, but I read this in wonder girl.

[identity profile] frankenchris.livejournal.com 2007-04-11 06:31 am (UTC)(link)
While this is a very funny post, I think some credit could be given to Miller for his use of gratuitous male nudity and emphasis on ideals as well. I'm speaking of his graphic novel 300 and its subsequent film apaptation.
I'd have to say it was the "historically accurate" male nudity of the novel, and homoeroticism of the film that held my interest background stotry about Persians being defeated by the Scottish. Random fanboy doesn't have much of a point. He could have brought up the ass shot in Batman Forever. That wasn't sexy. It was just stupid.

I'm not saying it's at all proportionate to his depictions of women(which seem to be blatant baiting anyways), but he'd probably do a lot more if there was a higher demand.

Maybe no objectification is your goal, and not equality in exploitation. In that case, I don't have many solutions besides just not reading DC. It won't be as hard as one might think.

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(Anonymous) 2007-04-29 02:54 am (UTC)(link)
Peace people

We love you

[identity profile] logansrogue.livejournal.com 2007-05-15 05:27 pm (UTC)(link)
I have so much love for you.
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[personal profile] mtgat 2007-05-16 02:26 am (UTC)(link)
I think I love you.

(Er. We'll do introductions at another point.)

These are awesome. And if I saw one bent over a washtub doing Peter Parker's laundry, I think I would swoon.

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