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odditycollector ([personal profile] odditycollector) wrote2006-04-19 08:34 pm

This would have been easier if I could draw.

I really should know better, but I clicked on a link to the DC message boards, topic of the new Frank Miller cover.

In summary... this is why I’m going to stay way the hell over here okay thanks. However, one exchange did catch my attention and would not let me shake it as it might have a sane person.

[livejournal.com profile] maelithil:
Depicting [women] as an ass, a pair of tits, some gorgeous thighs is doing them a disservice. Distilling them into nothing but their sexual attributes is objectifying. And that's exactly what this cover does.


Random Fanboy:
And notice that Superman's chest is OFTEN a whole panel unto itself. Not Superman fighting the bad guy. Not Superman standing full figure. Superman's chest. Just his chest. His huge, massive, S-draped, extraterrestrially muscular chest. Is Superman being objectified? Is he being used? Should I cry for Superman?


And. Just. What? This is the counterexample?

But! Maybe it’s not that his logic is just that scary. Maybe it's hard to understand what she’s talking about because it really, honestly is that there’s no comparable example featuring a male denizen of the DCU. I mean, even the occasional Nightwing crotch shot *tries* to have context.

Obviously, something had to be done. For The Good Of Fandom.

Luckily, much like Miller, I have no shame.

 
Totally Appropriate Covers (with bonus, never before seen script excerpts!)

 



Hal’s flying away from us through a generic starfield, nothing interesting to see except him. Have him wriggle around, giving us a good shot of his package. Add some details, something fancy for the fanboys to drool over, but don’t let it draw attention away from the point of the cover – that Kyle has nothing, NOTHING, on my boy Hal.

 



Be careful with this one – we don’t want Supes to come off as too powerful, too imposing. Maybe have him lean a bit, off balance, the better to show off his *well filled* briefs. He's fiddling with the waist line, such a cock *heh* tease. He knows he’s got what we want, and if we turn the cover, he’ll let us have it.

 



Well, we’ve done just about every variation on the theme by now, so let’s go back to the basics: Black on black, a full cover shot of Batman’s ass. Add in the utility belt for colour – give it that Sin City look. Show me thick, powerful legs under that latex or whatever the hell he wears. Clenched butt muscles. Make it obvious this is no BatGIRL we’re talking about.


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[identity profile] ptika.livejournal.com 2006-05-10 04:45 am (UTC)(link)
Yay for ass!

The world is just a little bit more in harmony now. :)

jiggidy

[identity profile] k9d.livejournal.com 2006-05-10 07:32 am (UTC)(link)
boingboing!

[identity profile] alcarilinque.livejournal.com 2006-05-10 09:55 am (UTC)(link)
You're right. A friend just commented to me about womens tennis while we were walking around town, and she caught a few seconds of it on a bar projection screen. Apparently before one of the players served, they spent time panning up and down her body; something they'd never do in men's tennis.

We both decided eventually that either they should stop doing this to women in particular, or do it to men too. We'd like to see it. Yes objectification is wrong and whine whine whine, but its apparently something that people need to some extent. Humans are social, and we like to stare at people from the comfort of our own homes and bars and whatnot, so look at Myspace and Facebook and the like. I guess perhaps the major crime here is that its so one sided-- it's not as if women don't objectify men in some way either, or men with other men and women with other women and the whole slew of gender combinations and etc.

Anyway, awesome post. Thanks for being creative. :)

[identity profile] skytalon.livejournal.com 2006-05-10 01:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Came here by way of Boingboing.net

YOu go, girl! I, too, tire of seeing those women. *sigh*

All these are HOT!

[identity profile] diluvian.livejournal.com 2006-05-10 03:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, god, you *win*!

Awesome!

[identity profile] michaeltlh.livejournal.com 2006-05-10 04:57 pm (UTC)(link)

Great job! If only they really did put out covers like this! :-)

Yeah, excpet...

(Anonymous) 2006-05-10 05:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Cute political message.

Except I don't know single comic book cover that features an image of JUST a female hero's tits, or her ass or... well... anything as extreme as this.

Don't get me wrong, it's hilarious. But as a "political statement" not terribly accurate.

Why do people have to hide their lust behind politics, anyway? Just come out and say you like nutsacks.

[identity profile] stevegreen.livejournal.com 2006-05-10 06:31 pm (UTC)(link)
That pic of the BatButt is still nowhere near as ludicrous as the endless shots of Robin's arse in the fourth movie.

[identity profile] boxmint.livejournal.com 2006-05-10 06:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow. That's some heartwarming shiznit right there. Thanks!

Whoa

(Anonymous) 2006-05-10 07:39 pm (UTC)(link)
More!! More !!

(I would spend ALL my spare change on comix like these!)

(Anonymous) 2006-05-10 07:56 pm (UTC)(link)
I like the first image - it's sort of a two for one deal.

The gay guys made some interesting comments. But just because men can also objectify each other doesn't mean that they're not demeaning the other person. I'm not saying that they are. I'm just saying that the argument is pointless.

I'd also argue that men just get away with it more, but if a woman admits to checking out packages and stuff it's frowned on by more people. The truth is that everyone wants eye candy. But women are supposed to be the providers of it - to both sexes. Straight women can admire a sexy woman, but guys aren't supposed to check each other and lesbians are cool, but not gay guys? Come on people; The bias is clear.

[identity profile] asim.livejournal.com 2006-05-10 08:22 pm (UTC)(link)
Here from Feministing (http://feministing.com/archives/005003.html), oddly enough (long way 'round to come back to LJ!)

As a comic fan, I have to say this is Brilliant! It points out one of the things that makes me want to hide my comics in shame, in point of fact. And they wonder why American comics can't seem to get out of the ghetto...

[identity profile] maxinemogadon.livejournal.com 2006-05-10 08:23 pm (UTC)(link)
I followed a link to this and I must say, what a great post!

[identity profile] lapith.livejournal.com 2006-05-10 09:12 pm (UTC)(link)
These are great. And a great opportunity for ironic icon usage.

If you could draw, I think you might have come up with something like Glen Hanson's "Wonder Man"...

Glen Hanson at NightCharm (http://www.nightcharm.com/?p=413)

[identity profile] church-rat.livejournal.com 2006-05-11 12:47 am (UTC)(link)
this is a perfect exzample of what it would look like if they did the same type of objectafacation(sp) of men as they do woman.

its funny, and its true.

Hey, I'm getting turned on here

[identity profile] theath.livejournal.com 2006-05-11 02:36 am (UTC)(link)
And I'm not even into comic books. Oh, wait. It's because I'm gay. ;-)

[identity profile] sunless-death.livejournal.com 2006-05-11 03:49 am (UTC)(link)
An objectification of women in comics rant elsewhere led to someone posting this link, and I am totally derailed. Thank you so freaking much- ranting only gets so far, but when you directly relate Miller!whore to your 'shops (which, as a previous poster said, are possible, while Wonderwhore's position is not) that sort of stuns the argument. I thank you for my current *glee* as i send my idiot friends here.
Is that ASSBAT by any chance from that cheesy George Clooney version? O_O
To say nothing of the Superman version, which i will never, ever look at ever again.
In addition, purely for research purposes mind you, I attempted that position, with the legs and spine. I am that skinny, and the ribs are only slightly exaggerated, but:
a) leaning that way with the hips messes up your center of gravity- you would only do it if you had to support an urn on your back, and would develop scoleosis young.
b) i don't believe thin women can have big, bouyant, self-supporting breasts- if there is no fat anywhere else, how could it end up in the mammary glands?
On a more embarrassing note:
Supergirl? (small voice)is actually kind of possible(/small voice)
Again, thank you so, so very much- it really needed to be done. <3

[identity profile] edda.livejournal.com 2006-05-11 04:12 am (UTC)(link)
*DEAD OF FUNNY*

[identity profile] picara.livejournal.com 2006-05-11 04:22 am (UTC)(link)
Oh yes. This is an excellent point, excellently made. Thank you!

[identity profile] kosher-jenny.livejournal.com 2006-05-11 04:39 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, this is beyond awesome. Now I have something use when someone brings up that whole "well, men in comics are depicted as being in top physical health so it's exactly the same thing!" straw man. Bliss.
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[identity profile] ms-duck.livejournal.com 2006-05-11 12:04 pm (UTC)(link)
You have saved the fandom! Huzzah! ^____^

[identity profile] shiv5468.livejournal.com 2006-05-11 03:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Linked here by a friend of a friend....

you win at the internets!

buff men in tights

(Anonymous) 2006-05-11 04:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Looks to me like Alex Ross understands the issue of T&A perfectly well:

http://fp.ignatz.plus.com/images/ambiguously%20gay%20duo.png

more Green Lanterns?

(Anonymous) 2006-05-11 04:54 pm (UTC)(link)
this page has two more blatantly beefcake GLs:
http://www.gaycity.ee/art/?id=superheros

I've seen these calendars in gayt-themed bookstores, but right now I can't find any info on the artist...

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