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odditycollector ([personal profile] odditycollector) wrote2006-04-19 08:34 pm

This would have been easier if I could draw.

I really should know better, but I clicked on a link to the DC message boards, topic of the new Frank Miller cover.

In summary... this is why I’m going to stay way the hell over here okay thanks. However, one exchange did catch my attention and would not let me shake it as it might have a sane person.

[livejournal.com profile] maelithil:
Depicting [women] as an ass, a pair of tits, some gorgeous thighs is doing them a disservice. Distilling them into nothing but their sexual attributes is objectifying. And that's exactly what this cover does.


Random Fanboy:
And notice that Superman's chest is OFTEN a whole panel unto itself. Not Superman fighting the bad guy. Not Superman standing full figure. Superman's chest. Just his chest. His huge, massive, S-draped, extraterrestrially muscular chest. Is Superman being objectified? Is he being used? Should I cry for Superman?


And. Just. What? This is the counterexample?

But! Maybe it’s not that his logic is just that scary. Maybe it's hard to understand what she’s talking about because it really, honestly is that there’s no comparable example featuring a male denizen of the DCU. I mean, even the occasional Nightwing crotch shot *tries* to have context.

Obviously, something had to be done. For The Good Of Fandom.

Luckily, much like Miller, I have no shame.

 
Totally Appropriate Covers (with bonus, never before seen script excerpts!)

 



Hal’s flying away from us through a generic starfield, nothing interesting to see except him. Have him wriggle around, giving us a good shot of his package. Add some details, something fancy for the fanboys to drool over, but don’t let it draw attention away from the point of the cover – that Kyle has nothing, NOTHING, on my boy Hal.

 



Be careful with this one – we don’t want Supes to come off as too powerful, too imposing. Maybe have him lean a bit, off balance, the better to show off his *well filled* briefs. He's fiddling with the waist line, such a cock *heh* tease. He knows he’s got what we want, and if we turn the cover, he’ll let us have it.

 



Well, we’ve done just about every variation on the theme by now, so let’s go back to the basics: Black on black, a full cover shot of Batman’s ass. Add in the utility belt for colour – give it that Sin City look. Show me thick, powerful legs under that latex or whatever the hell he wears. Clenched butt muscles. Make it obvious this is no BatGIRL we’re talking about.


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you don't know who the hell I am, but I read this in wonder girl.

[identity profile] frankenchris.livejournal.com 2007-04-11 06:31 am (UTC)(link)
While this is a very funny post, I think some credit could be given to Miller for his use of gratuitous male nudity and emphasis on ideals as well. I'm speaking of his graphic novel 300 and its subsequent film apaptation.
I'd have to say it was the "historically accurate" male nudity of the novel, and homoeroticism of the film that held my interest background stotry about Persians being defeated by the Scottish. Random fanboy doesn't have much of a point. He could have brought up the ass shot in Batman Forever. That wasn't sexy. It was just stupid.

I'm not saying it's at all proportionate to his depictions of women(which seem to be blatant baiting anyways), but he'd probably do a lot more if there was a higher demand.

Maybe no objectification is your goal, and not equality in exploitation. In that case, I don't have many solutions besides just not reading DC. It won't be as hard as one might think.

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(Anonymous) 2007-04-29 02:54 am (UTC)(link)
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[identity profile] logansrogue.livejournal.com 2007-05-15 05:27 pm (UTC)(link)
I have so much love for you.

[identity profile] odditycollector.livejournal.com 2007-05-17 05:41 pm (UTC)(link)
*g* And I for you. (I've been AWOL from the internet for a bit, but your statue concept was inspired.) It seems that between us we're discovered what the internet was *really missing*.

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[personal profile] mtgat 2007-05-16 02:26 am (UTC)(link)
I think I love you.

(Er. We'll do introductions at another point.)

These are awesome. And if I saw one bent over a washtub doing Peter Parker's laundry, I think I would swoon.

[identity profile] superfinemind.livejournal.com 2007-05-25 04:52 pm (UTC)(link)
I feel a little weird about posting a comment so long after this was originally posted-- but this seemed potentially useful.

I'm a skinny girl with strikingly prominent ribs; the Wonder Woman cover actually wouldn't be far off from what I'd look like if posed like that-- with the notable exception that my breasts aren't that big, and besides, I don't know a single garment or material that would work the way her top does-- I mean, is that, like, a boobsock corset?

Anyway. Just wanted to weigh in on the question of protrusive ribs: the anatomy is all right there, in my own experience, it's just the costume that's a problem.

wheee...

[identity profile] jasonsml11.livejournal.com 2007-06-21 09:53 am (UTC)(link)
after watching these pictures i decided to look through all my childrens' spiderman comics to check them out if they have the same pictures... i do not want my daughter to see such views at 4yo...
Jason (http://cashis-county-hounds.info)

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[identity profile] likastarr.livejournal.com 2007-10-04 07:12 am (UTC)(link)
I saw the one of the pics here on Stumble and came here to see what it was all about. I was inspired to write an intro story on my own blog. Of course full credit is given with a link-back. If you like...check it out and let me know what you think.

It can be found here:
http://likastarr.com/archives/111

Lika Starr

[identity profile] iceberg3k.livejournal.com 2007-10-28 07:50 pm (UTC)(link)
I realize this is late, way late, but the sad thing is given FM's awful writing in ASB&R, that cover is not terribly off the mark...

[identity profile] fervid-unicorn.livejournal.com 2007-11-08 04:38 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm posting late, I know. My boyfriend just showed this to me today, and I just had to chime in. Like everyone else said, you did this brilliantly. Well done.

testing this one...

(Anonymous) 2007-11-25 11:07 am (UTC)(link)
Very interesting... as always! Cheers from -Switzerland-.

Men in Speedos with guns!

(Anonymous) 2007-12-07 12:11 am (UTC)(link)


Thanks so much for these images. I have always said that if men were seen in Speedos with guns, how rediculous that would be and it would show just how rediculous the objectification of women really is. My boyfriend is a comic book collector, and it pisses me off that he would support an industry that portrays women as T&A. I am so sick of this blaitent bullshit in comics, and even in the movies and on TV.From Witchblade to Sin City ect.we see mostly naked, anatomically incorect, unnatural, gravity defient women with big guns! Oh yeah and how about very young sometimes teen looking girls paired off with mid to old men? I better stop there. I could rant about this all night. The really sad part is that these images are literally killing our young girls. Thanks again. You are awesome!!!!!!!

[identity profile] jesurgislac.livejournal.com 2008-02-17 06:38 pm (UTC)(link)
I was trying to use this post as an illustration to a discussion on Slacktivist (http://slacktivist.typepad.com/slacktivist/2008/02/lb-in-these-sho.html#comment-102618674), and I was sad to see the Censorship Gods had made you take these pics down.

Are they available anywhere else?

[identity profile] phredd.livejournal.com 2008-03-03 12:52 am (UTC)(link)
Indeed. I just came here too for the same reason for another discussion on a different forum.

IBTP

[identity profile] krinndnz.livejournal.com 2008-03-04 06:54 am (UTC)(link)
Coming to this years after the fact - these pictures are still (sadly) relevant and snicker-inducing. Thank you for making them and the associated point.

[identity profile] philippos42.livejournal.com 2008-04-18 09:32 pm (UTC)(link)
As a straight guy, I wish the superheroes were drawn this way. It's better than having them drawn with the outrageously skintight costumes & no suggestion of genitalia at all.

male objectification

(Anonymous) 2008-05-05 01:04 am (UTC)(link)
Interesting stuff. I do think that males are objectified in our culture but the way in which we are objectified usually has little to do with images that parallel female objectification (i.e. as sex objects). Men are objectified as providers of money (security) and also as fantasy objects in an attempt to make a safe-feeling, insulating vision of romance appear as true so that the objectifier can, to one degree or another, see the world as an extension of her mind and not have to deal with her partner as a real person -- in a way, quite similar to what happens when a man watches porn and attempts to impose that fantasy into a real life structure -- on his wife or whoever. The unrealistic nature of this romance fantasy, coupled with the fact that reality always intrudes may explain why so many guys are called "dreamboat" one minute and "loser" the next without actually having changed.
In a parallel way to female sexual objectification, males also accept their objectification and attempt to live up to it.
Frank Miller was the artist who drew Robin as a female character in "The Dark Knight Returns." I think we are seeing some of his humor here, and it also seems like he's saying traditional comics have something homo-erotic going on. Knowing something about Miller, I see the covers as commentary on comics, not outright objectification.
Erik in Minneapolis

Hello

(Anonymous) 2008-08-20 09:49 am (UTC)(link)
I'm new here, just wanted to say hello and introduce myself.

[identity profile] overgrownpath.livejournal.com 2009-03-21 03:28 pm (UTC)(link)
In case you didn't know, the gay world is recognizing this post now! I came here from here - http://www.johncoulthart.com/feuilleton/2006/05/10/super-objects/

[identity profile] odditycollector.livejournal.com 2009-03-30 09:59 am (UTC)(link)
Thanks for the link! 'S always cool to see where people come from :)

[identity profile] kita0610.livejournal.com 2009-05-11 08:42 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't know you. But I would like to kiss you. In a completely non-objectifying way.

In awe

(Anonymous) 2009-06-02 06:40 pm (UTC)(link)
I've never seen anything like this before! Also I don't use lj anymore, can't even remember my user name. Can we be best friends?? You are amazing. THIS is AMAZING. I wish EVERYONE would come here and look at this!! So perfect, to the point. Mad props.
Jennifer

actually

(Anonymous) 2009-06-02 06:54 pm (UTC)(link)
can you make some more of these??? a whole serious would be amazing.

Re: actually

[identity profile] odditycollector.livejournal.com 2009-06-02 08:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Hahaha! I think these have done what they needed to do. You might like the contex () ads though.

*ATTEMPTS RESSURECTION*

(Anonymous) 2009-07-24 09:49 am (UTC)(link)
I stumbled across this whilst searching for "skin tight clothes". Being an old-time comic reader, I got curious...

All I can say...

as an artist, a comic fan, and a female...




BRILLIANT!




Posted about this to my blog - http://lesszoa.blogspot.com

Re: *ATTEMPTS RESSURECTION*

[identity profile] odditycollector.livejournal.com 2009-07-25 08:48 pm (UTC)(link)
whilst searching for "skin tight clothes"
Hah! That is amazing. (And not even in the post!)

I'm glad you found it, though it's too bad this post is still so damn relevant...

I don't know you but...

[identity profile] spitphyre.livejournal.com 2010-06-08 01:17 am (UTC)(link)
I WANT THESE COVERS!!! Especially a Nightwing one...

Wonderful (old) photo manipulations for comic covers

(Anonymous) 2011-02-12 10:18 pm (UTC)(link)
Hi! I hope you will still see this comment even if your post is several years old. If you do, you should be proud of how you have made a rather long-lasting impression with this post! I found it via a link from a Sherlock Holmes slash-writer's homepage.

I saw some pictures with a similar purpose several years ago, when I was seventeen or something, and it strikes me how much my gut reaction has changed in ten years. It was photos taken of men imitating poses female models usually do in 'light' porn. It was done to point out how objectifying and wrong porn was. I was disgusted with the pictures and quickly concluded porn was bad... I was so shy and repressed, you wouldn't believe! Now, when I'm no longer automatically disgusted with anything explicit about sex, I find your pictures both humorous and sexy... I am much less easily offended, but of course there are still problems with objectifying women on a large scale in society.

Hmm... We all objectify others to some degree, I think. One of the dangers, perhaps especially for teenage girls, is in this case to forget that you are always the subject of your own life first and foremost, instead of an object or a stage prop in someone else's life. Is there something inherently wrong in looking at a nice piece of ass without caring to actually get to know the person it belongs to? I don't think so today, but I used to think so, and this influenced my political opinions a lot without me realising it... Feminism as a political movement needs to talk and think more about good sex! If we only talk about what we DON'T want, how will we ever get what we WANT? This is true, I think, both privately and politically. It would for example be better to masturbate and fantasize a lot before one tries something with one's first boyfriend, rather than thinking that sex will automatically be perfect if only both parties are in love...

Thank you for sharing you work and opinions (and reading while I ramble about mine)!
Yours,
Stina

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