I can understand your reasons to rant Glad to hear it! Many fan*boys* don't even notice anymore.
and I'm not saying there isn't any exploitation going on, but these example covers have gone to the XXX extreme to inflate the point and then are being compared as "equal", which is complete utter bullshit. Wow. You must be reading the same comics I am - those chosen to avoid the entire conversations drawn from a woman's crotch level, breast shots with protruding nipples, backs at 90 degrees to better show off both boobs *and* ass, splash page kicks centered on the camel-toe.
The idea that the only fair argument is one is the *exact position* as Miller's cover in particular is just silly. You're *reaching*, here. If it's because you feel uncomfortable around the male images, you might want to think about that.
What I find interesting also, is that your crew of fellow "enraged" female comic goers are'nt offended by exploitation, just female exploitation ... Go ahead and make some more licking noises and "I'd buy that!" comments if you like here now. Oh, please. Those comments were made in good fun - no one is seriously taking from this that male objectification would be any better a thing in mainstream media.
So yes, everyone, *do* feel free to continue to objectify Hal & co! After all, the comments here are *far* more controlled than a couple I've seen around comic book images featuring women, and turn about is entirely fair play.
Unfortunately there's the whole thing of the direct comic book market is CREATED for and AIMED at the 15-35 year old male fanboy who is the highest consumer of this type of material. You're right, that view *is* unfortunate, and more so that covers such as Miller's do everything possible to keep it that way. I really wish, when discussing this point, that there were handy demographics available. How many issues *do* sell to each gender and each age group. How many *TPB*s. How many TPB's from *bookstores*.
In the store I usually shop at, the split between men and woman browsing the shelves is usually more equal than it is in many of my classes. I doubt this is representative, but - judging from the hardly-comparable number of people in the couple comic shops around the city in which I felt slightly uncomfortable and don't intend to return - I wonder how representative it is of stores that do *well*.
while pacifying your despised, shotgun rant inducing, female T & A Here I had to laugh. You're in *comics* fandom and you think *this* is a "shotgun rant"? Where were you when they very-slightly-altered Batman's costume? When they made Star Boy black? When you got offended at the images in this post?
Where it's the norm to have idealized people, with painted on outfits, viewed in non moving, varying angled panels, I must say you picked quite the media to delve into if such things truely bother you. Things that truly bother me -- That when viewed in those varying angles, the male characters - idealized and wearing spandex, sure - are not sexualized. When viewed in those (DIFFERENT) varying angles, the *female* characters - idealized, sure, and who often could probably use a fair bit *more* spandex - ARE. Erect nipples. Ass-only shots. Body language of come-take-me-now.
Are all titles guilty of this? No. Are many, especially mainstream superhero titles? YES.
Or is it that it's fun to complain and rant about stuff you have no control over, are'nt the target audience for, and are'nt a fan of. I love this line. It's so ambiguous. I couldn't figure out if you were suggesting complaining implied I wasn't a fan of comic books, or that I had no right to complain because I wasn't a fan of *T&A*.
"You may only be upset about ass shots if you are a fan of them!" That logic is just *beautiful*. Right up there with anything in Catch-22.
Excuse me now as I go off to rant on the gay porn message boards, about the unrealistic depiction of the average male.
I find it hilarious people keep comparing comics to the porn industry as a *defense*. It makes me feel all possible points have already been made in my favour.
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Re: Yeah right....
Date: 2006-04-29 09:53 pm (UTC)Glad to hear it! Many fan*boys* don't even notice anymore.
and I'm not saying there isn't any exploitation going on, but these example covers have gone to the XXX extreme to inflate the point and then are being compared as "equal", which is complete utter bullshit.
Wow. You must be reading the same comics I am - those chosen to avoid the entire conversations drawn from a woman's crotch level, breast shots with protruding nipples, backs at 90 degrees to better show off both boobs *and* ass, splash page kicks centered on the camel-toe.
The idea that the only fair argument is one is the *exact position* as Miller's cover in particular is just silly. You're *reaching*, here. If it's because you feel uncomfortable around the male images, you might want to think about that.
What I find interesting also, is that your crew of fellow "enraged" female comic goers are'nt offended by exploitation, just female exploitation ... Go ahead and make some more licking noises and "I'd buy that!" comments if you like here now.
Oh, please. Those comments were made in good fun - no one is seriously taking from this that male objectification would be any better a thing in mainstream media.
So yes, everyone, *do* feel free to continue to objectify Hal & co! After all, the comments here are *far* more controlled than a couple I've seen around comic book images featuring women, and turn about is entirely fair play.
Unfortunately there's the whole thing of the direct comic book market is CREATED for and AIMED at the 15-35 year old male fanboy who is the highest consumer of this type of material.
You're right, that view *is* unfortunate, and more so that covers such as Miller's do everything possible to keep it that way. I really wish, when discussing this point, that there were handy demographics available. How many issues *do* sell to each gender and each age group. How many *TPB*s. How many TPB's from *bookstores*.
In the store I usually shop at, the split between men and woman browsing the shelves is usually more equal than it is in many of my classes. I doubt this is representative, but - judging from the hardly-comparable number of people in the couple comic shops around the city in which I felt slightly uncomfortable and don't intend to return - I wonder how representative it is of stores that do *well*.
while pacifying your despised, shotgun rant inducing, female T & A
Here I had to laugh. You're in *comics* fandom and you think *this* is a "shotgun rant"? Where were you when they very-slightly-altered Batman's costume? When they made Star Boy black? When you got offended at the images in this post?
Where it's the norm to have idealized people, with painted on outfits, viewed in non moving, varying angled panels, I must say you picked quite the media to delve into if such things truely bother you.
Things that truly bother me -- That when viewed in those varying angles, the male characters - idealized and wearing spandex, sure - are not sexualized. When viewed in those (DIFFERENT) varying angles, the *female* characters - idealized, sure, and who often could probably use a fair bit *more* spandex - ARE. Erect nipples. Ass-only shots. Body language of come-take-me-now.
Are all titles guilty of this? No. Are many, especially mainstream superhero titles? YES.
Or is it that it's fun to complain and rant about stuff you have no control over, are'nt the target audience for, and are'nt a fan of.
I love this line. It's so ambiguous. I couldn't figure out if you were suggesting complaining implied I wasn't a fan of comic books, or that I had no right to complain because I wasn't a fan of *T&A*.
"You may only be upset about ass shots if you are a fan of them!" That logic is just *beautiful*. Right up there with anything in Catch-22.
Excuse me now as I go off to rant on the gay porn message boards, about the unrealistic depiction of the average male.
I find it hilarious people keep comparing comics to the porn industry as a *defense*. It makes me feel all possible points have already been made in my favour.