""Wow. You must be reading the same comics I am - those chosen to avoid the entire conversations drawn from a woman's crotch level, breast shots with protruding nipples, backs at 90 degrees to better show off both boobs *and* ass, splash page kicks centered on the camel-toe.""
My statement here is regarding the comparisons of your covers to Millers WW cover. Not other books, interiors or splash pages.
""The idea that the only fair argument is one is the *exact position* as Miller's cover in particular is just silly. You're *reaching*, here. If it's because you feel uncomfortable around the male images, you might want to think about that.""
Reaching? Who created this topic, and is stretching (to the point of dislocating your shoulder) to illustrate a false comparison. if your going to make a fair comparison, make an accurate one. I had a good laugh at the pics too btw, I'm not going to post them on my desktop or anything, anytime soon. What am I suppose to be thinking about may I ask? Is it supposedly the same thing your thinking of when looking at Millers WW cover?
"Oh, please. Those comments were made in good fun - no one is seriously taking from this that male objectification would be any better a thing in mainstream media."
Ah, I see, because it's "all in good fun" that makes it okay then. All we gotta do is get DC and Marvel to put a "all in good fun" sticker on all their books and we should have no complaints, right. No one's taking this seriously? Really? So you can vouch that none of the posters would go out and buy bulging Superman #1 if it came out tommorow. Or say if you had the power to switch the exploitation factor balance from women to men you would'nt do it?
""So yes, everyone, *do* feel free to continue to objectify Hal & co! After all, the comments here are *far* more controlled than a couple I've seen around comic book images featuring women, and turn about is entirely fair play.""
It's interesting to see that the one demographic, that use to have a good argument to look down on their male comic bretheren, can drag their knuckles on the ground with the best of them.
Here I had to laugh. You're in *comics* fandom and you think *this* is a "shotgun rant"? Where were you when they very-slightly-altered Batman's costume? When they made Star Boy black? When you got offended at the images in this post?
I was'nt talking about regular fanboy rampaging. I'm refering to that kneejerk reaction most female readers have after seeing a shot of a idealized, female they didn't like. Such a rant inspired this topic it looks like.
"Or is it that it's fun to complain and rant about stuff you have no control over, are'nt the target audience for, and are'nt a fan of." ""I love this line. It's so ambiguous. I couldn't figure out if you were suggesting complaining implied I wasn't a fan of comic books, or that I had no right to complain because I wasn't a fan of *T&A*.""
Ambiguous? I'll clarify.... Are you a DC editor? No? then you have no control over the book. Are you a 15-35 year old male? No? then your not the target audience. Do you collect All star Batman and Robin? No? Then it sounds like you aren't a fan.
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Re: Yeah right....
Date: 2006-04-30 01:34 pm (UTC)My statement here is regarding the comparisons of your covers to Millers WW cover. Not other books, interiors or splash pages.
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""The idea that the only fair argument is one is the *exact position* as Miller's cover in particular is just silly. You're *reaching*, here. If it's because you feel uncomfortable around the male images, you might want to think about that.""
Reaching? Who created this topic, and is stretching (to the point of dislocating your shoulder) to illustrate a false comparison. if your going to make a fair comparison, make an accurate one.
I had a good laugh at the pics too btw, I'm not going to post them on my desktop or anything, anytime soon. What am I suppose to be thinking about may I ask? Is it supposedly the same thing your thinking of when looking at Millers WW cover?
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"Oh, please. Those comments were made in good fun - no one is seriously taking from this that male objectification would be any better a thing in mainstream media."
Ah, I see, because it's "all in good fun" that makes it okay then. All we gotta do is get DC and Marvel to put a "all in good fun" sticker on all their books and we should have no complaints, right.
No one's taking this seriously? Really? So you can vouch that none of the posters would go out and buy bulging Superman #1 if it came out tommorow. Or say if you had the power to switch the exploitation factor balance from women to men you would'nt do it?
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""So yes, everyone, *do* feel free to continue to objectify Hal & co! After all, the comments here are *far* more controlled than a couple I've seen around comic book images featuring women, and turn about is entirely fair play.""
It's interesting to see that the one demographic, that use to have a good argument to look down on their male comic bretheren, can drag their knuckles on the ground with the best of them.
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Here I had to laugh. You're in *comics* fandom and you think *this* is a "shotgun rant"? Where were you when they very-slightly-altered Batman's costume? When they made Star Boy black? When you got offended at the images in this post?
I was'nt talking about regular fanboy rampaging. I'm refering to that kneejerk reaction most female readers have after seeing a shot of a idealized, female they didn't like. Such a rant inspired this topic it looks like.
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"Or is it that it's fun to complain and rant about stuff you have no control over, are'nt the target audience for, and are'nt a fan of."
""I love this line. It's so ambiguous. I couldn't figure out if you were suggesting complaining implied I wasn't a fan of comic books, or that I had no right to complain because I wasn't a fan of *T&A*.""
Ambiguous? I'll clarify....
Are you a DC editor? No? then you have no control over the book.
Are you a 15-35 year old male? No? then your not the target audience.
Do you collect All star Batman and Robin? No? Then it sounds like you aren't a fan.