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I really should know better, but I clicked on a link to the DC message boards, topic of the new Frank Miller cover.
In summary... this is why I’m going to stay way the hell over here okay thanks. However, one exchange did catch my attention and would not let me shake it as it might have a sane person.
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maelithil:
Depicting [women] as an ass, a pair of tits, some gorgeous thighs is doing them a disservice. Distilling them into nothing but their sexual attributes is objectifying. And that's exactly what this cover does.
Random Fanboy:
And notice that Superman's chest is OFTEN a whole panel unto itself. Not Superman fighting the bad guy. Not Superman standing full figure. Superman's chest. Just his chest. His huge, massive, S-draped, extraterrestrially muscular chest. Is Superman being objectified? Is he being used? Should I cry for Superman?
And. Just. What? This is the counterexample?
But! Maybe it’s not that his logic is just that scary. Maybe it's hard to understand what she’s talking about because it really, honestly is that there’s no comparable example featuring a male denizen of the DCU. I mean, even the occasional Nightwing crotch shot *tries* to have context.
Obviously, something had to be done. For The Good Of Fandom.
Luckily, much like Miller, I have no shame.
Totally Appropriate Covers (with bonus, never before seen script excerpts!)
Hal’s flying away from us through a generic starfield, nothing interesting to see except him. Have him wriggle around, giving us a good shot of his package. Add some details, something fancy for the fanboys to drool over, but don’t let it draw attention away from the point of the cover – that Kyle has nothing, NOTHING, on my boy Hal.
Be careful with this one – we don’t want Supes to come off as too powerful, too imposing. Maybe have him lean a bit, off balance, the better to show off his *well filled* briefs. He's fiddling with the waist line, such a cock *heh* tease. He knows he’s got what we want, and if we turn the cover, he’ll let us have it.
Well, we’ve done just about every variation on the theme by now, so let’s go back to the basics: Black on black, a full cover shot of Batman’s ass. Add in the utility belt for colour – give it that Sin City look. Show me thick, powerful legs under that latex or whatever the hell he wears. Clenched butt muscles. Make it obvious this is no BatGIRL we’re talking about.
In summary... this is why I’m going to stay way the hell over here okay thanks. However, one exchange did catch my attention and would not let me shake it as it might have a sane person.
maelithil:Depicting [women] as an ass, a pair of tits, some gorgeous thighs is doing them a disservice. Distilling them into nothing but their sexual attributes is objectifying. And that's exactly what this cover does.
Random Fanboy:
And notice that Superman's chest is OFTEN a whole panel unto itself. Not Superman fighting the bad guy. Not Superman standing full figure. Superman's chest. Just his chest. His huge, massive, S-draped, extraterrestrially muscular chest. Is Superman being objectified? Is he being used? Should I cry for Superman?
And. Just. What? This is the counterexample?
But! Maybe it’s not that his logic is just that scary. Maybe it's hard to understand what she’s talking about because it really, honestly is that there’s no comparable example featuring a male denizen of the DCU. I mean, even the occasional Nightwing crotch shot *tries* to have context.
Obviously, something had to be done. For The Good Of Fandom.
Luckily, much like Miller, I have no shame.
Totally Appropriate Covers (with bonus, never before seen script excerpts!)
Hal’s flying away from us through a generic starfield, nothing interesting to see except him. Have him wriggle around, giving us a good shot of his package. Add some details, something fancy for the fanboys to drool over, but don’t let it draw attention away from the point of the cover – that Kyle has nothing, NOTHING, on my boy Hal.
Be careful with this one – we don’t want Supes to come off as too powerful, too imposing. Maybe have him lean a bit, off balance, the better to show off his *well filled* briefs. He's fiddling with the waist line, such a cock *heh* tease. He knows he’s got what we want, and if we turn the cover, he’ll let us have it.
Well, we’ve done just about every variation on the theme by now, so let’s go back to the basics: Black on black, a full cover shot of Batman’s ass. Add in the utility belt for colour – give it that Sin City look. Show me thick, powerful legs under that latex or whatever the hell he wears. Clenched butt muscles. Make it obvious this is no BatGIRL we’re talking about.
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Have you thought about getting into the church building business?
"And when the sun sets in the evening, the light through the stained glass window of Mother Mary's ass suffuses the prayer area in a comforting glow..."
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No, I think if there are any G'nort-ass-shots out there, the only possible explanation is that he took them himself.
And mailed them to Guy.From: (Anonymous)
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Can someone answer??
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You've obviously been having a field day, responding to comments throughout this thread. And I don't have time to talk to someone who isn't interested in actual discourse. And so, my only response is that you seem dreadfully repressed about sex and masturbation. Maybe you ought to just relax.
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Oh I know. Maybe they don't care. Maybe it's just a bunch of bs.
And yes, the kind of pose that wonderwoman had in that cover pic is the kind of pose a porn model might have. And people masturbate to that. If you are so relaxed about it, why do you have a problem with the wonderwoman pic? It, and others like it are just softcore porn, as stated above. So relax. ;)
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I just want a normal straight answer, please.
About good and bad objectification. About what's wrong with the cover pic if porn is fine.
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Oh, gee. I wonder if it could be something in your presentation?
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Nope! Underwear model. *g* (Although I hear no one would be surprised either way -- *rubber nipples*. Ouch.)
Supergirl? (small voice)is actually kind of possible(/small voice)
*nods* Well, within "Turner-stylized" parameters, at least. But the costume... man. I blame a lot of evils on the costume. Or, more accurately, the costume on a lot of evils.
Again, thank you so, so very much- it really needed to be done.
*g* Thanks. And it looks like it did -- I've been taken aback by the response to this.
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I <3 you.
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Mind if I link to this in the next post I make?
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Again, those are awesomely done covers and the Miller-style commentary on them really drives the point home.
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And if you're going to try to justify this, what you say is that these are drawings, and fantasies, and boys are smart enough to know the difference between a drawing of boobs and a real girl. That's the argument I'd pose, anyway.
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She is helluva objectified. :)
You aren't being serious.
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Just this weekend I was watching the Final Fantasy 7 movie, and I remarked to my boyfriend how bizarre it was that Cloud has these rippling Schwarzenegger biceps, and yet such an effeminate face.
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This comment is so stupid it hurt my brain.