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I really should know better, but I clicked on a link to the DC message boards, topic of the new Frank Miller cover.
In summary... this is why I’m going to stay way the hell over here okay thanks. However, one exchange did catch my attention and would not let me shake it as it might have a sane person.
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maelithil:
Depicting [women] as an ass, a pair of tits, some gorgeous thighs is doing them a disservice. Distilling them into nothing but their sexual attributes is objectifying. And that's exactly what this cover does.
Random Fanboy:
And notice that Superman's chest is OFTEN a whole panel unto itself. Not Superman fighting the bad guy. Not Superman standing full figure. Superman's chest. Just his chest. His huge, massive, S-draped, extraterrestrially muscular chest. Is Superman being objectified? Is he being used? Should I cry for Superman?
And. Just. What? This is the counterexample?
But! Maybe it’s not that his logic is just that scary. Maybe it's hard to understand what she’s talking about because it really, honestly is that there’s no comparable example featuring a male denizen of the DCU. I mean, even the occasional Nightwing crotch shot *tries* to have context.
Obviously, something had to be done. For The Good Of Fandom.
Luckily, much like Miller, I have no shame.
Totally Appropriate Covers (with bonus, never before seen script excerpts!)
Hal’s flying away from us through a generic starfield, nothing interesting to see except him. Have him wriggle around, giving us a good shot of his package. Add some details, something fancy for the fanboys to drool over, but don’t let it draw attention away from the point of the cover – that Kyle has nothing, NOTHING, on my boy Hal.
Be careful with this one – we don’t want Supes to come off as too powerful, too imposing. Maybe have him lean a bit, off balance, the better to show off his *well filled* briefs. He's fiddling with the waist line, such a cock *heh* tease. He knows he’s got what we want, and if we turn the cover, he’ll let us have it.
Well, we’ve done just about every variation on the theme by now, so let’s go back to the basics: Black on black, a full cover shot of Batman’s ass. Add in the utility belt for colour – give it that Sin City look. Show me thick, powerful legs under that latex or whatever the hell he wears. Clenched butt muscles. Make it obvious this is no BatGIRL we’re talking about.
In summary... this is why I’m going to stay way the hell over here okay thanks. However, one exchange did catch my attention and would not let me shake it as it might have a sane person.
maelithil:Depicting [women] as an ass, a pair of tits, some gorgeous thighs is doing them a disservice. Distilling them into nothing but their sexual attributes is objectifying. And that's exactly what this cover does.
Random Fanboy:
And notice that Superman's chest is OFTEN a whole panel unto itself. Not Superman fighting the bad guy. Not Superman standing full figure. Superman's chest. Just his chest. His huge, massive, S-draped, extraterrestrially muscular chest. Is Superman being objectified? Is he being used? Should I cry for Superman?
And. Just. What? This is the counterexample?
But! Maybe it’s not that his logic is just that scary. Maybe it's hard to understand what she’s talking about because it really, honestly is that there’s no comparable example featuring a male denizen of the DCU. I mean, even the occasional Nightwing crotch shot *tries* to have context.
Obviously, something had to be done. For The Good Of Fandom.
Luckily, much like Miller, I have no shame.
Totally Appropriate Covers (with bonus, never before seen script excerpts!)
Hal’s flying away from us through a generic starfield, nothing interesting to see except him. Have him wriggle around, giving us a good shot of his package. Add some details, something fancy for the fanboys to drool over, but don’t let it draw attention away from the point of the cover – that Kyle has nothing, NOTHING, on my boy Hal.
Be careful with this one – we don’t want Supes to come off as too powerful, too imposing. Maybe have him lean a bit, off balance, the better to show off his *well filled* briefs. He's fiddling with the waist line, such a cock *heh* tease. He knows he’s got what we want, and if we turn the cover, he’ll let us have it.
Well, we’ve done just about every variation on the theme by now, so let’s go back to the basics: Black on black, a full cover shot of Batman’s ass. Add in the utility belt for colour – give it that Sin City look. Show me thick, powerful legs under that latex or whatever the hell he wears. Clenched butt muscles. Make it obvious this is no BatGIRL we’re talking about.
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wonderful
And may I say, your Superman is much hotter than any official version I've ever seen. Actually *realistic* musculature, and more attractive than the over-bulked, steroid, anatomically-impossible meathead look. I've always hated Superman -- such a boy scout. But your cover...ah, so that's why he wears his undies on the outside. So Madonna-esque of Superman to call attention to his assets that way.
Jen
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Very Funny
Here from MSNBC "clicked".
I think the covers are Great but I question whether the proportions are out of whack enough. Shouldn't Superman have a Gi-normous Phallus?
The way woman are drawn they would have a hard time walking. I think turn about is fairplay.
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IT's all about the gay, yes, yes?
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Re: IT's all about the gay, yes, yes?
The most subtle and pervading effect of crime comics on children can be summarized in a single phrase: moral disarmament... Robin is a handsome athletic boy, usually showing his uniform with bare legs. He is buoyant with energy and devoted to nothing on earth or interplanetary space as much as Bruce Wayne. He often stands with legs spread, the genital region discreetly evident.
--Seduction of the Innocent, 1954.
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for T&A that panders to adolescent hormonal males.
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You so rock.
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Definitely.
And the reason we can't go out and pick these up and blow them up for the cons to make a point (while purchasing a few regular size for our own private collections - heh) is -- what, now?
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Also: am I the only one who thinks Frank Miller's art looks like he did it with Oekaki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oekaki) software?
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Superman's chest is shown by itself so much because it's practically his name tag. That big S is an announcement that he's there to smite evil. Or something.
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It's neat to know people are still reading it.
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On the one hand, I don't find anything too bad about this particular cover. Yes, it is sexy, but I don't see how sex itself objectifies women. I do agree that women are objectified in comics, I just don't think this cover or Frank Miller are the best examples of it.
On the OTHER hand, I did stop reading All-Star Batman & Robin after the second issue, feeling immense disappointment, and one of the reasons was that Frank spent five entire pages showing a girl in her underwear as opposed to progressing the plot.
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Is it in adderss that he improves?
G'night
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But you forgot to *tatoo* your initials onto their bodies (like the FM on the woman's thigh), just to make sure everyone would be sure to know that it is you that owns them.
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GAH!